@Jrjersey01 Sphere of Safety is Soooo Expensive though, and often too late game to do anything. It really doesn't fit well with the mana curve. I'll do something after to add 2 more land, won't remove Favored Hoplite because hes a super powerful 1 drop, and probably not a creature because I only have 14. Give me a while to ponder what I'll remove.
November 17, 2013 6:14 p.m.
Jrjersey01 says... #3
I_H8_U_M8 is this the right deck for the bident or spear? I think this could be a more controlling deck with Fabled Hero and Daxos of Meletis as heroic creatures with the bident and Isperia, Supreme Judge for some synergy. You could also use Sphere of Safety because of the enchantments. Thanks
November 18, 2013 5 p.m.
13374554551n says... #4
I'm curious as to how in your turn 3 win scenario when you swing with Nivmagus Elemental you get the cast two copies of Hidden Strings . Am I missing something ?
February 19, 2014 12:54 p.m.
ThirDEyESuRf065 says... #5
How come you did not include Ephara's Enlightenment in your new build, particularly given the addition of Hero of Iroas ?
February 20, 2014 2:14 a.m.
@13374554551n You win before you need to cast the two copies of Hidden Strings , Hidden Strings copies are cast after combat damage.
@ThirDEyESuRf065 The reason I dont have it in my deck is because it costs 3 mana. Often times when I play games with this deck I wont get a 3rd mana until turn 5. yes if I had Hero of Iroas out on the feild it would be okay, but All cards are playable in this deck by themselves where I feel Ephara's Enlightenment would not be playable without Hero of Iroas Even if I had 3 mana, the enchantment is at sorcery speed where I would rather have answers in hand that still triggered heroic.
February 20, 2014 6:33 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #7
In your description it says Triton Tactics taps creatures that block. This is not true, it only taps creatures that are being blocked.
February 20, 2014 6:41 a.m.
@RussischerZar The word "it" was missing in the description. At this turn's next end of combat, tap each creature that was blocked by one of those creatures this turn and it doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
February 20, 2014 7:20 a.m.
@JStangsWorld That is somethings I have definitely considered. but it is just a 1/1 flying that gets a single counter, it serves no other purpose.
Battlewise Hoplite scrys, Hero of Iroas reduces aura costs, Fabled Hero has double strike, Favored Hoplite prevents damage, Phalanx Leader gives counters to everything.
February 20, 2014 10:22 p.m.
ThirDEyESuRf065 says... #11
@I_H8_U_M8 makes sense, Retraction Helix is a better fit. Plus flying would be a nice touch but pales in comparison to other combos. Why did you drop the Aqueous Form ?
February 21, 2014 2:38 a.m.
@ThirDEyESuRf065 Aqueous Form is an awsome card, but because of the huge saturation of removal I thought it would be best to put more instances and control in the deck because answers is what this deck needs most. Originaly it was Brave the Elements main boarded instead of Aqueous Form because it could answer so much more while still being able to make my heroics unblockable if I was to swing in for fatal. Later I decided that I would put Retraction Helix main board instead of Brave the Elements because of the synergy with some of my cards and it still triggered heroic.
To put my thought simply, I put in Brave the Elements and removed Aqueous Form . I may put Aqueous Form back into my deck later since I am still testing.
February 21, 2014 11:07 a.m.
ZooGambler says... #13
Retraction Helix seems solid since it completely screws with the mana curve of your opponent and can trigger heroic at instant speed if that's what's needed. To me Helix vs Brave is really a question of meta. If you're playing against a fast paced aggro deck or control, Helix is the card of choice. If you're playing against Mono Blue, Ramp, etc. Brave the Elements is the choice. But I think either way, keeping helix main is better overall since we already have God's Willing to give some sort of reach + answer.
February 26, 2014 12:53 a.m.
ZooGambler says... #14
silly me, didn't mean to put Helix as card of choice vs control.
February 26, 2014 12:54 a.m.
@ZooGambler I have quite enjoyed playing Retraction Helix . It has great synergy with this deck. As you stated, yes it definitely comes down to deciding what you need more versus your opponent. I felt that It would be a nice change of pace to have some offensive control instead of all defensive :P
February 26, 2014 2:16 a.m.
I really like the setup of this deck, especially the great synergy of Hero of Iroas with Ordeal of Thassa and all the other Auras. One mana ordeals are tough to argue with, and I like the choice of Hero of Iroas over Artisan of Forms since it has more utility in this deck, has good card synergy, and fits the deck flavor more closely (+1 counter heroic). With cards like Retraction Helix and just the sheer number of counters being thrown out, this deck has options to counter powerful mythics like Brimaz, King of Oreskos by just sending it right back to the hand, or forcing a bad block/trade.
I was looking for Inspired cards that could replace any of the Heroic creatures in this deck, but there are none that provide an Inspired ability that is quite as good as any of the Heroic abilities.
Really impressive overall. Just finished up gathering all the cards for this deck (except for the shock/scry lands), will let you know what my records are in casuals, FNM, etc.
March 2, 2014 7:44 p.m.
@jae5105 I will look forward to hearing your results.
Atm I'm trying to make a bant version of this deck involving Mutant's Prey and Warriors' Lesson the only thing is that unlike the previous 2 heroic decks, it wont be budget because lands are expensive...
March 3, 2014 7:37 a.m.
Redgartheblue says... #19
I really like this deck concept. I brought it to my local FNM and placed third. I am missing 3 shock lands and 1 scry land but it seems to run fine without them.
March 3, 2014 6:50 p.m.
exiledexia says... #20
I'm currently putting together this deck for play because I love the concept. I was curious if Mizzium Skin would fir into this deck or if it's made redundant by Gods Willing
March 5, 2014 5:28 p.m.
@exiledexia I think the reason for Gods Willing over Mizzium Skin is that the overload doesn't have as much use with the very heroic-focus of this deck. I think the benefit of the scry as well as "protection" text makes Gods Willing the more useful card here. That's just my thinking here.
March 5, 2014 7:05 p.m.
I actually have both, Mizzium Skin being in the sideboard against decks with multiple remove (instead of Brave the Elements )
Brave the Elements has the advantage of possibly making your creatures unblockable, but I prefer getting the heroic trigger with Mizzium Skin
March 6, 2014 2:16 p.m.
With the current sweepers Drown in Sorrow , Supreme Verdict , Anger of the Gods and Mizzium Mortars around Brave the Elements / Gods Willing can blank 2/4 of the sweepers, whereas the +0/+1 from Mizzium Skin could save your creatures from 3/4 of the sweepers, (as could a heroic trigger on Phalanx Leader though).The biggest issue is Supreme Verdict , which this list has no answer for other than speed (which is a stacked race statistically: there is a 47.23% chance they won't have supreme on turn 4 ignoring card draw as a factor, but this deck has roughly a 35% chance of dealing lethal damage in 4 turns without disruption).
March 6, 2014 4:45 p.m.
@4649matt There really is no answer for Supreme Verdict in this deck, there is Rootborn Defenses , but that's up to you if the player wants to side board it in. Drown in Sorrow isnt a threat. unless multiple are planing to be used because only Phalanx Leader has a toughness of 1. Anger of the Gods can be annoying but once my creatures are strong enough, or I have open mana, its normally not an issue, I've had two played on the same turn and saved all my creatures.
March 7, 2014 12:10 a.m.
Why do things like Brave the Elements or Gods Willing not protect from Supreme Verdict ? Does protection from a color not count?
By the way, I run this deck constantly and love it still. I tossed in an Elspeth, Sun's Champion and Kiora, the Crashing Wave that I got from boosters to see how that effects it. We'll see!
Jrjersey01 says... #1
I_H8_U_M8, I have been play testing this deck online and I really needed to add more lands. I took out 2 Favored Hoplite and 1 Ordeal of Thassa for 2 plains and a island. With the amount of enchantments in this deck, I think you should use Sphere of Safety against Aggro in the sideboard or possibly even main board if u want to go a more controlling route. The Hoplite wasn't doing enough for me and I was already drawing cards from Triton Fortune Hunter .i really like the enchantment theme +1 from me
November 17, 2013 12:39 p.m.