Heroic Soldiers of Urd - 2nd Place at FNM!
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Aaaaaaaand I can't make it to FNM this week. Maybe next week.
November 28, 2014 5:29 p.m.
Archimedes75 says... #3
Why no Spear of Heliod, if I might ask? It's another anthem that also gives you some protection against attackers.
Also, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx seems like a no brainer for any mono-colored deck.
Just my $0.02. :)
November 28, 2014 7:35 p.m.
Spear of Heliod is a good recommendation. I don't know what to drop to add one, though. Maybe one Chosen by Heliod.
Not sure about Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. Will I have enough devotion on board to take advantage of it? I'll add in two and playtest.
Thanks!
November 29, 2014 11:10 a.m.
excellent deckI would substitute 2 Ainok Bond-Kin for 2 hero of ioras, first strike is always relevantalso 1 obelisk of urd for 1 hall of triumph, easy to cast and pumps warrior tokens
November 30, 2014 10:45 a.m.
Ainok Bond-Kin isn't as valuable to this deck as Hero of Iroas. Hall of Triumph is a good recommendation. I'm on the fence about dropping an Obelisk of Urd for it, though.
November 30, 2014 10:18 p.m.
Great deck. Would you consider Fabled Hero, Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Elspeth, Sun's Champion? I figured with all your devotion to white, getting elspeth shouldn't be that difficult, especially if your Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is on the field. Fabled Hero makes a good beater against your opponents, and getting counters on him should be relatively easy. While you have Brimaz, King of Oreskos making tokens along with his vigilance; targeting phalanx leader putting counters on every creature you control, and thus having your Abzan Falconer making everyone have flying. Anyway just a few suggestions I thought that might make your deck better.
December 1, 2014 11:40 a.m.
Thank you. I appreciate your suggestions.
The issue I have with including Fabled Hero, Brimaz, King of Oreskos or Elspeth, Sun's Champion is that their converted mana costs are just too high for a twenty mana deck. While I do have two Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, I don't have enough white symbols to gain me enough devotion to ensure I'll have the mana to play expensive CMC cards in a timely fashion. I would have to up the land count to twenty-two or more.
There's also the issue of what comes out to make room. Including any number of those three cards would require the removal of some creatures and the removal of some of the spells. While I would love to run those cards, the ideas behind this deck (play cheap soldiers to get Obelisk of Urd out quickly or fall back on heroic triggers to win) don't line up with them.
December 1, 2014 3:31 p.m.
cardboardkrk says... #11
-2 Nykthos : What are you ramping to? You're just going to mess up draws with double white cards.
-2 Falconer : He's ok... but if you're going to be playing Obelisk of Urd, you want it out as fast as possible... otherwise it will be a dead card in hand and your board will not keep up.
-3 Herald of Anafenza : Painfully slow.
-4 Hero of Iroas : You have three Auras to abuse with him...
-3 Chosen by Heliod : This card is slow. Trying to beat Lightning Strike, Drown, Bile Blight, etc... by wasting a turn buffing the butt of a creature is not the way to go. You will just be up against better creatures that outclass yours.
+2 Plains : Fix Nykthos
+4 Soldier of the Pantheon : Best white 1drop aside from Favored Hoplite.
+4 Vanguard of Brimaz : A soldier thst makes soldiers.... this is an auto include in a soldier urd deck.
+4 Raise the Alarm : 2 Soldiers for 1 card.
Some number of Ajani's Presence are in for consideration too. Also, Brimaz would be good in the sideboard. Bad main deck though, as he is slow.
December 3, 2014 8:55 a.m.
Your suggestions are diametrically opposed to the win-con principles of the deck.
- Archimedes75 recommended Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, and I agree. Running only two lowers the odds of drawing it early, thus not affecting cards, and offers mana advantage mid to late game.
- Herald of Anafenza offers late game chump blockers and is out of -3/-3 range immediately once an Obelisk is played. Soldier of the Pantheon doesn't and isn't. It does offer protection from multicolor, which is relevant, but the life gain is nominal.
- Even if I don't draw an Aura to exploit him, Hero of Iroas is a heroic grizzly bear that quickly becomes a problem for the opponent.
- Chosen by Heliod is not only included for the toughness boost, but for the card draw. It helps keep the deck from stalling.
- Abzan Falconer is a finisher, much like the -3 use of Ajani, Caller of the Pride in the previous standard (minus double-strike, of course.) Granted, it's a dead draw early on, but that's why it's only a 2-of.
- If I was focused on going wide and not just tall, Vanguard of Brimaz would be an auto-include. As the deck is, I have Raise the Alarm and Launch the Fleet to send in soldier tokens. Also, the Vanguard doesn't line up with the secondary win-con of tall heroic creatures.
- What would you cut from the sideboard to add Brimaz, King of Oreskos, and why?
Thanks for taking the time to comment.
December 3, 2014 10 a.m.
Not the best deck, but has some really good combo's in it ;)really really good as a budget deck ;)+1, i am going to use this deck to build my own since i got pretty much every card in this deck and love white decks :P
December 5, 2014 9:10 a.m.
UnderworldFiend says... #14
So, Fabled Hero is too high of CMC when he only costs 3? He's a soldier with heroic and double strike. What's not to like? I would honestly take out Nyxborn Shieldmate for Fabled Hero. Shield mate is good as a one drop enchantment, but you're running heroic. His bestow is 3, the same cost as hero. Granted Nyxborn Shieldmate is a soldier, he just lacks power/play-ability. The target from bestow is nice, but I don't think it's worth it. Hero also gives two devotion towards Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. That's what I have to say about Fabled Hero. He is a beast.
Also, with Hero of Iroas, a card like Ordeal of Heliod becomes insane with the combo of Sunbond. It's an instant ten counters. TEN COUNTERS!!! I'd lose Launch the Fleet because the only time it matters is late game with Obelisk of Urd and many other creatures to target. Plus ten life couldn't hurt.
December 6, 2014 11:17 p.m.
I would probably replace the Nyxborn Shieldmate too. Vanguard of Brimaz is a better option considering the rest of your deck. Hell, he's even better than Hero of Iroas in your deck.
Having played the heroic thing in several forms, I've found the Falconers to be kinda junk. You can beat people down without them just fine.
December 6, 2014 11:49 p.m.
I'd been keeping at first Herald of Anafenza and then Nyxborn Shieldmate in the deck for two reasons: one, to be able to play a cheap soldier as early as possible, leading to two, to play Obelisk of Urd as early as turn 3.
I'm going to make some adjustments and test. I think the format is such that I can slow this deck down a little and not lose overall performance. I'll be removing three 1-drops (Nyxborn Shieldmate) and one 2-drop (Hero of Iroas) for two 2-drops (Vanguard of Brimaz) and two 3-drops (Fabled Hero). Adding Fabled Hero will please quite a few people.
I had bad luck with Vanguard of Brimaz in my other deck, Urd Be Thy Name. I'm willing to try it in this deck now because of it being mono-white.
Abzan Falconer fits my plans too well to remove, and I have had success with it in testing.
Sunbond doesn't fit this deck, but I cannot deny how cool it'd be to have one attached with Ordeal of Heliod on the board. It looks really good in 6000/6000 Fabled Hero? Me likey!
Thanks for your feedback! The deck is improving.
December 8, 2014 2:25 p.m.
Existential_Crisis says... #17
I would like splashing green, for Hardened Scales, Reap What Is Sown, and Solidarity of Heroes. Maybe some more good cards. other than that, I think using Akroan Skyguard over Hero of Iroas might be a good choice, because you aren't running enough falconers to consistently get your creatures flying. Other than that, this deck looks great :D.
December 10, 2014 4:23 p.m.
HI! :D
I'm building a R/W version of this deck (Heroes of Strength and Swiftness)
I got 3 questions!
1). How does the Urd actually works? I mean, is it too expensive? How is 4 working out for you?
2). Do you also feel, that Fabled Hero can be a little slow?
3). How is Chosen by Heliod working for you? Is it good or bad? If Dragon Mantle where white, would you then rather play it?
December 11, 2014 10:42 a.m.
Heya, NorthernRaven! Great questions.
- Obelisk of Urd grants +2/+2 to the creature type of your choice. I choose Soldiers. You could choose Goblins, Hounds, or even Humans if you wanted. The card can be Convoked, which means you can tap creatures to help cast the spell. This essentially turns it into a 3-drop, but leaves your creatures tapped out. I like having 4 because it gives me the best chance to see one for certain in game 1, and gives me something to side out for games 2 and 3. The ideal way for the deck to start is as such:
- Turn 1: Plains, play Favored Hoplite.
- Turn 2: Plains, pass turn. During your opponents end step, play Raise the Alarm.
- Turn 3: Plains, tap 3 plains and 3 creatures to Convoke Obelisk of Urd.
- Turn 4: Attack for 9 damage. Commence the beatdown.
- I initially didn't include Fabled Hero because it is expensive and a major target for removal. Tappedout users have sold me on including it, and it's working out really well in testing. It can draw removal away from Phalanx Leader and Abzan Falconer. Also, you sometimes need something big mid-to-late game if the Obelisk doesn't work out, and with protection in hand, Fabled Hero can be a beast.
- I like Chosen by Heliod. It draws cards and gets Heroic creatures out of -3/-3 removal range if an Obelisk isn't it play. I would definitely play another 1-drop cantrip such as Dragon Mantle, if there were another in white. Perhaps we'll see one in Fate Reforged. Playing Hero of Iroas turns Chosen by Heliod into a one drop, which works for me.
+1 to your deck! Looks like fun.
December 11, 2014 11:23 a.m.
I want to know your opinion if you dont mind... Have you thought about lifelink? I think it is a broken ability and it works well in my sidisi reanimator deck (I know it is diferent play styles but still). My friend plays a U/W heroic that consists in making his creatures unblockable and pretty huge with lifelink. I once tried this out by adding Gods Willing and Feat of Resistance to a boros aggro i was building. It worked nice but it needed some other ways to get damage through. The way you give flying to your creatures is nice but what about Seeker of the Way or Dawnbringer Charioteers? I want to know what you think about Eidolon of Countless Battles too. It works just nice with Vanguard of Brimaz and Raise the Alarm. Perhaps it is another wincon?
December 11, 2014 12:30 p.m.
I run Glimpse the Sun God in my version. Usually wins games if at the opponents end step I tap his creatures as well as my Phalanx Leader. I also run High Sentinels of Arashin as I mentioned, and he gets huge because of all the counters. Might want to consider Glimpse and/or Sentinels as a side boarder.
December 11, 2014 12:43 p.m.
MarduMaster says... #23
A lot of potential here. I would strongly consider Ainok Bond-Kin, Akroan Skyguard, and sideboarding that white paragon.
Red would be a okay splash. Akroan Crusader is a beast, and Satyr Hoplite isn't terrible. Akroan Hoplite would be great for going wide. Coordinated Assault is a double heroic trigger for two. Seems good.
You also could consider splashing green. Hardened Scales would be OP. Nature's Panoply is okay, Reap What Is Sown is great. Settesan tactics would be good removal.
December 11, 2014 5:19 p.m.
MarduMaster says... #24
You could also run Anax and Cymede if you go RW.
December 11, 2014 8:14 p.m.
Thanks for the feedback, MarduMaster. I ran a R/W Soldier Tribal deck named Urd Be Thy Name at an FNM and went 2-3. The deck was fun. I had some trouble drawing enough mana of one color or the other. It was probably just some bad draws, but it led me to building this mono-white deck.
I've put together Vanilla Parsley Ice Cream as a prototype G/W Heroic deck. I plan on making one with Obelisk of Urd sometime soon.
Nelstone says... #1
I like having four in for game one for a few reasons. First, no one expects it, and you have the greatest chance to get it resolved the more you have. Second, it's probably better to run either two or three Obelisk's in the deck, so it gives us a viable card to side out. That also applies to Launch the Fleet and Raise the Alarm; being 4-ofs, they are good side-out cards for games 2 and 3.
I talk about sideboarding under the username vic20_gamer in this reddit thread regarding Tom Ross' U/W Heroic deck.
November 28, 2014 9:39 a.m.