Heroic Soldiers of Urd - 2nd Place at FNM!

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Archimedes75 says... #1

Nelstone, given your use of the Obelisk of Urd, I decided to see how they would do as a 2 of in my Ferocious Centaur deck. Would love feedback, if you'd be so inclined, thanks!

December 13, 2014 10:47 p.m.

aDynamite says... #2

Hey buddy excellent deck I really love it and I am playing it myself with some changes, for example I am running -4x Hero of Iroas and +2x Fabled Hero +1x Vanguard of Brimaz +1x Phalanx Leader.

Also I would like to ask you, how do you deal against whip decks ? (Specially hornet queens) erase isnt enough, I am trying to change -2 erase -1 mortal obstinacy for +3x Hushwing Gryff, what do you think?

And last but not least I recommend you replacing the two glare of heresy on the sb for two lagonna trail blazer (specially for the RDW deck that it is just too fast for us) if you dont think so plz let me know how do you deal with RDW/Rabble Red and whip decks.

Thanks and lets keep it up with this deck, I just love it :D

December 20, 2014 8:07 p.m.

Nelstone says... #3

I can see dropping Hero of Iroas for two Fabled Hero and one more each of Phalanx Leader and Vanguard of Brimaz. I may build another deck on tappedout with that configuration so as to not completely alter this deck.

Adding Hushwing Gryff is something I've been thinking about. It sounds good to combat against whip, reanimator, Hornet Queen and Siege Rhino decks. The way I deal with whip decks currently is to side in my enchantment hate and indestructibility.

For Rabble/RDW, I side in Ordeal of Heliod and Ajani's Presence. Adding two Lagonna-Band Trailblazer isn't a bad idea, but I've been hesitant to add in any creatures that are not soldiers. It probably wouldn't hurt.

Thanks! I appreciate it.

December 22, 2014 9:09 a.m.

McSween7 says... #4

may I suggest looking at my deck Heroes Never Die. it is similar to yours and hopefully can provide ways of improving this deck. I like it however, so +1

December 25, 2014 4:24 p.m.

Scorprix says... #5

$30. WOW.

December 26, 2014 9:29 a.m.

You all need to listen to Nelstone. This guy has been riding the Urd train since its release and he's pretty seasoned with it. Remember, this is a Tribal deck first, and a Heroic deck second (read the description!). The deck revolves around mass Soldiers with the Obelisk, and can hold its own as a Heroic deck if plan A falls through. I just want to throw in my notions for the card discussion that's been happening here. Fabled Hero is a big boss indeed, BUT in my experience he's a turn 4 play because you NEED to leave open mana to protect him or they WILL kill him immediately. As Nelstone mentioned, Hero of Iroas is a Heroic bear if nothing else, which is more than Phalanx Leader and Vanguard of Brimaz can say. True, not many Auras to reap his first ability, but I don't think it matters all that much. Flying is, always has been, and probably always will be, one of the most dominant mechanics in the game of Magic. Abzan Falconer provides global Flying in a mono white deck. Do I really need to say more on that? I think you have a great balance of cards in here, although I wouldn't mind seeing you stray away from Heroic a little bit and going into full-bore Soldier Tribal with anthem effects. Just a thought. In any case, you've inspired me to make one like this (I gave up on Urd a while back, but I know it can be a good build). Although, mine will be probably be more on the Soldier tribal side as I mentioned, since I've exhausted my patience with mono-white Heroic. It was SO GOOD when Born of the Gods first released, I won at least 6 or 7 FNMs with it, but the loss of Brave the Elements seriously diminished the deck's strength.

December 27, 2014 1:19 p.m.

Nelstone says... #7

It is a well known fact that CrovaxTheCursed is an incredibly intelligent and worldly man among men, and his word should be taken as gospel. But that's just my opinion.

December 27, 2014 9:44 p.m.

Ghorrhyon says... #8

Great deck, love the soldiers theme since Boros. I can see why there isn't a Preeminent Captain, but I would side Ainok Bond-Kin. If the Falconers don't appear and you have to go with the fatty strategie, a Pharika's Chosen can be a pain in the ass. Or, even avoiding it with Feats or Willings, a Mer-Ek Nightblade could be a greater menace.

December 28, 2014 11:26 a.m.

Somnus21 says... #9

Hero of Iroas and Fabled Hero never worked for me in this decktype. I found they were a little slow for my taste, and they are removal targets. My version is going for a more metabased playstyle; to outspeed the Drown in Sorrow. Here it is: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/get-rekt-by-mah-sold-urds-uber-budget/

I let go of a lot of wombo-combos to gain speed; which is what the deck really needs to do if it wants to win. If it's going slow, it'd get overrun by midrange and easily controlled. Even with Urd shenanigans, it's unlikely that you'd out-midrange the Abzan/Mardu decks.

As for outspeeding the Drown in Sorrow, I can do so because of the Ephemeral Shields on Phalanx Leader plays. More often than not, the opponent can clear a few creatures with a Turn 3 Drown, but can't efficiently wipe like it should.

December 28, 2014 5:51 p.m.

Hahaha, I appreciate that, but I am simply a torch which carries the light for all darkened souls. Enlightened though I am, my opinions can get the best of my word sometimes. Still, by studying the monad, I understand the archangel. Wisdom from the light is all I seek. Think of me as a Seeker of the Way, but have not yet Master the Way :). As it states, it is eternal and simply a path of cause and effect. Choose your roads carefully, there may not be a return.

December 29, 2014 8:56 a.m.

Nelstone says... #11

@CrovaxTheCursed and @Somnus21: I've built a leaner, faster version: Durdle on Lands, Die to Soldiers. I believe it suffers from having little to no mid-to-late game presence. It's an all-or-nothing strategy; go balls-out and win, or die. It's tempting to play, but I hate it when I know my deck has faltered and has little to no chance of reaching stabilization. It becomes an auto-concede situation when it stalls. Heroic Soldiers of Urd - 2nd place @ FNM! doesn't feel that way to me. If it stalls, I can tread water until I draw into an answer.

December 29, 2014 9:41 a.m.

Yeah, Nelstone, I had that trouble when trying to build one like that. Zero late game whatsoever, it would just fold if it couldn't aggro out quick enough. This deck here is the real deal, its later game is very scary and explosive.

December 29, 2014 10 a.m.

Nelstone says... #13

One guy watching me at FNM commented "The deck kind of hangs around, and then it curb stomps you." That sums it up. If I get an optimal opening, it's a tidal wave. If not, and I can stabilize, it can become a tsunami.

December 29, 2014 10:07 a.m.

SnadroWraith says... #14

You should try Cavalry Pegasus. Cheaper flying mechanic for all humans.

December 29, 2014 4:54 p.m.

Nelstone says... #15

To quote myself from comment #11:

I'll break down why Cavalry Pegasus is not as good as Abzan Falconer:

  1. Pegasus is a 1/1 for . Falconer is a 2/3 for one more colorless.
  2. Although Pegasus can fly without needing a counter, it's way too fragile.
  3. Soldier tokens aren't human, and can't fly with Pegasus.
  4. With Obelisk of Urd out, the Falconer is a 4/5. The Pegasus is still a 1/1.
  5. In an extended game, the Falconer can Outlast.

December 29, 2014 6:40 p.m.

aDynamite says... #16

hey what do you think about Archetype of Courage on the deck? like making a change -2 Hero of Iroas +2 Archetype of Courage . first strike is really good against Jeskai Charm + lifelink tokens, also against Hornet Queen , etc.

I got a question about your sideboard. Why do you put +2 Erase against abzan midrange? what do you want to destroy? they dont run enchantments except for Courser of Kruphix and we can easily overrun that guy.

Thank you, keep it up !

January 6, 2015 10:40 a.m.

Nelstone says... #17

I add two Erase primarily to kill off Courser of Kruphix. It can be overrun, but it's presence can generate a lot of life, and I've found that to be problematic. I can see the argument against siding it in.

I like Archetype of Courage. It might be a good addition to the sideboard. In this build, having Hero of Iroas as a 4-off keeps overall casting costs down and turns Chosen by Heliod into a 1-drop. I think this makes the deck run better.

Thank you!

January 6, 2015 11:02 a.m.

SnadroWraith says... #18

would you consider a few Battle Masterys? Maybe in sideboard? three drop for double strike could happen to be one of those many kill shots in this deck....

January 6, 2015 11:42 a.m.

Nelstone says... #19

Battle Mastery might be a good sideboard card against U/W Heroic.

January 6, 2015 12:13 p.m.

Nelstone says... #20

To expand on why I side in Erase to kill Courser of Kruphix, not only does it generate life but it provides card advantage. By playing a land off the top, it thins their deck and lets them get to answers faster. The Courser must die!

January 7, 2015 8:50 a.m.

Whip of Erebos must die as well!!

January 7, 2015 11:10 a.m.

aDynamite says... #22

Ok im convinced, now tell me something, when you play against whip decks like abzan whip, sidisi whip, g/b constellation, do you use your Erase on the early game to kill the Coursers and try to win fast before the whip hit the table or you save the Erase for Doomwake Giant and Whip of Erebos .

Btw I made 2nd place yesterday on my local store in a standard tournament with 24 people playing :D (with my own version that is basically the same but with the only change of +2 archetype of courage and -2 hero of iroas) I lost the finals against a sultai control deck. sultai charm on maindeck + thoughseize + kiora + coursers + removal + counters. after sideboard it gets even worse against that deck T_T. (I must say that I got mana screwed on my second game with only 2 mana all the game)

Still I was very happy with the deck result and everybody was pretty amazed seeing a monowhite on the final, we must keep tinkering with this deck :D. So far, no good cards for this deck in FRF right?

January 7, 2015 10:34 p.m.

Nelstone says... #23

aDynamite, that's so awesome! :D Congrats on the performance! Sultai control (and control in general) is a tough matchup for this kind of deck. You did well!

My plan against Abzan/Sidisi Whip and G/B Constellation is to hold back Erase specifically for Whip of Erebos. I will hold off on exiling Courser of Kruphix if they run Whips. The Whip is the most dangerous card in their deck. They will mill out Hornet Queen, Siege Rhino, and other huge creatures just to whip them in later. Take away their Whip, maintain your board state, bash their skull.

I'm not too concerned with Doomwake Giant, so long as an Obelisk of Urd is in place. If you have an uncountered Phalanx Leader and a bunch of Soldier tokens out waiting for an Obelisk, then the Giant is bad news.

The tinkering continues. I am going to modify the deck before the next FNM. I'm going to drop 2x Abzan Falconer and 2x Launch the Fleet in favor of 3x Brimaz, King of Oreskos and 1 more Plains.

It's been my experience that Launch the Fleet can be a difficult card to take full advantage of. To get more out of it than a few Heroic triggers, you have to attack (says the man that says obvious things.) I'm finding that this deck will need to stabilize the board and have a strong board state before it is safe to attack, more often than not. That means that Launch will either sit in your hand unused, or be used only as a way to add a few counters, or cat soldiers in the case of Vanguard of Brimaz. That being said, I think Brimaz, King of Oreskos will offer a faster and more reliable means of getting more soldiers (vigilant ones, no less) onto the field. Regarding Abzan Falconer, by the time making everyone flying becomes a lethal option, the creatures are usually big enough on the ground to not have to fly to kill. They will just bash through.

I thought about going with 2 Brimaz and 2 Archetype of Courage instead, but I think it's more important to make land drops on time, which is why I'm bumping it to 22. I know that to truly make it most likely that you'll hit your lands on time 24-25 need to be run. Since this deck curves out at 3 mana, I think 22 is the right place to be. My one loss at FNM was due to being mana screwed twice, once having to mulligan to 5. I do think including the Archetype in the deck is a great idea, though.

So far, I have seen nothing in the FRF spoilers that will benefit this deck. As of this writing (01.08.2015) 104/185 cards have been spoiled, which includes almost all of the Uncommons, Rares and Mythic Rares. I'm not holding out much hope that anything is left to be spoiled that will take the place of something in this deck. We shall see.

January 8, 2015 10:34 a.m.

jsquareddddd says... #24

Thanks for posting up the detailed sideboard information, it's helped me a lot.

January 13, 2015 4:16 a.m.

Somnus21 says... #25

It isn't a Soldier, but from my testing, Dragonscale General can be a monster in this deck. I currently am trying four in my version, going slightly slower, but so far it's been doing lots of work for me. Playing it in the 2nd main phase after a big attack is something most opponents will never anticipate.

January 13, 2015 5 a.m.

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