Check out my sidisi deck for a new that I added.

You only have 5 artifacts, but Sequestered Stash could still probably fit here. It's another (expensive) way to dump cards in the yard, and it's still an option for recursion.

How about replacing Painbringer with Phyrexian Plaguelord?He has a better body, cost only one more, has a sac option and instead of exiling cards from the graveyard, you can use tokens to use its -1/-1 ability.

Is there a specific reason behind Painbringer, that I don't get?

Great deck btw, I run it with some minimal changes :)

Also you have Deadeye Navigator ins the sideboard.What would you remove if you would like to use him?(He goes infinite with Peregrine Drake, can reuse all these great ETB triggers)I would like to use him, but I'm not sure what to change.Also Acidic Slime is a great removal and really crazy with Deadeye Navigator. But again maybe it is against the deck concept?

What about a Craterhoof Behemoth or Decimator of the Provinces? They can be deadly and wining the game especially with Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord + Twilight's Call or Living Death. Also nice targets for reanimator spells.

Darkersun: I'm glad you like the deck! To be honest, it's not fully updated right now, so I have to re-upload it including the changes before I can really answer your questions. But in the meantime...

I'll test out Phyrexian Plaguelord! It doesn't suffer from summoning sickness, and it can be used multiple times in a turn cycle. However, the extra mana is a surprisingly large deal, and my graveyard is usually a more plentiful resource than the number of creatures I have on the battlefield. After all, nearly 2/5 of my graveyard will be lands, which are (usually) useless sitting there - Painbringer turns them into removal spells.

Deadeye Navigator has now been included in the deck, and he's proven his worth repeatedly. I don't remember what I cut to include him, but I'll get back to you on that.

I would rather play Reclamation Sage over Acidic Slime (lower CMC, less color commitment, I don't usually hit lands), but you're right that they're fantastic cards that might deserve a place here. Also, Terastodon somewhat fulfills this role already, though of course he's not really hardcastable.

I'd avoid Decimator of the Provinces (doesn't get its triggered ability when reanimated from the graveyard), but the only reason that Craterhoof Behemoth isn't in here yet is money, to be honest. I'd love to include him and Mogis's Marauder to alpha attack out of nowhere off of a mass reanimation spell :)

I'm glad you like the deck, and I'd love to take a look through your variant if you want! If you like the deck, you're always welcome to give a +1 ;)

Thanks for the reply and explanation.I forgot the upvote: Done :)

I hope I don't spam ;) your comment section to much (I will stop if this is the case). I also just realised that some of my question were already discussed by other comments.

So you would include:

Mogis's Marauder + Craterhoof Behemoth If not for the money (I got lucky in a booster)

Deadeye Navigator + Reclamation Sage

But what to remove, I find everything so useful in the list, it is really hard to decide.

What do you think about Voldaren Pariah  ^Flip? You normally have the zombies to sac and has a good removal when transforming.Ever After is also nice, but not very cheep.

I'm upvoting for the name. #jaynewouldapprove

Darkersun: Those both sound like good ideas. Voldaren Pariah  ^Flip is...okay, depending on your meta, but my problem is the "target opponent" clause. Often I'd just rather play Dictate of Erebos to lock everyone down. And I find Ever After to be overcosted, yeah (and I can't recur it since it goes to bottom of library). Hopefully I'll have time later today to FINALLY update this to match my current build IRL.

ESPnocturnal: Heh. Very few people catch that - thanks for your comment, brought a smile to my face! ;)

I like the list, I test piloted the budget version and might end up building this one. Why crucible of worlds out of curiousity? I see the fetch capability and the recursion of strip mine useful but most other lands don't seem too useful to have it included. Am I missing something?

Two cards from Commander 2016 I find interesting for Vera ;)

Magus of the Will lite version of Yawgmoth's Will maybe more fair.

Ancient Excavation card draw + discard what you need in the graveyard, but very situational (But also Landcycling if needed).

Asiel_Theforgotten: It guarantees me a land drop every turn without any further investment of mana, and pulling Bojuka Bog from GY is much more helpful than you'd think. It's not used for anything beyond that, though.

I had a copy available (fount it in a box in my closet) so I decided I might as well use it since I had a deck for it :)

It will become more useful if I ever decide to add The Gitrog Monster back in, though.

Darkersun: I think I'll pass on Ancient Excavation for now, but holy mother of god I love Magus of the Will. He's already in here, post-update.

Also, re:everyone - I FINALLY GOT AROUND TO UPDATING THIS LIST, YEAH.

How do the changes look? I modified a lot obviously, haha.

Love the revisions! If you get more time would be nice to see the changes to the deck description. Thank you for the insight on the crucible. Looks like a total blast to pilot, I'll be sure to leave feedback when I get it set up!

Here another self-mill option that I run:

Cephalid Illusionist + Lightning Greaves = complete self-mill if needed.

I also like that Cephalid Illusionist gives me the option to trigger Sidisi, even if there is no save target player to attack.

First of all, love the deck, I've been looking for a good Sidisi deck ever since I saw how well it interacted with both Meren of Clan Nel Toth and Ezuri, Claw of Progress.

Second, a critique:Your T3 infinite combo is not an infinite combo, unless I am mistaken. Basalt Monolith + Mesmeric Orb will mill you for your entire library, but because you have no shuffle back effect, it can only mill you a finite amount. Sidisi will only make a maximum of 37 zombies under this combo, which is not enough for an Altar of Dementia win. Unless I'm missing something, in which case, please clarify, since I would love to be wrong

Third, you mentioned having a Meren deck. Why is Meren not in here? Her value to a self-mill and a sac deck is disgusting and you're both, so why not toss her in?

Snarglefrazzle14: Dread has a reshuffle clause. Instead of reshuffling the entire graveyard, you just continually reshuffle Dread.

Snarglefrazzle14: As enpc pointed out, Dread is the key card that makes the combo tick :) The same combo is used for the Extractor Demon/Altar of Dementia trick.

I also haven't put Meren in here for because...I'm not sure to be honest. I had a Meren deck, which might explain it (didn't want to reuse her), but now that the deck's been taken apart...I'll definitely consider it, thanks!

Darkersun: I'll also consider adding that, thank you! :) Both cards are definitely useful alone.

Asiel_Theforgotten: I'm glad you like the deck! :)

Maybe I ask about this already, but is Shambling Shell not one of the weaker Dredge cards?Is there a specific use that I overlooked?

How do you use Haunted Dead? I assume its there to help you discard a card if it would be more useful in the graveyard? Also as jump-blocker for flying creatures right? Or is there another interaction that I overlooked?

If you're looking for protection from graveyard hate, I usually go with Orbs of Warding in non-white decks. It doesn't protect from effects that target specific cards but it covers you from Bojuka Bog, Identity Crisis, Rakdos Charm, and Tormod's Crypt effects. TO is telling me you've already considered Orbs of awarding so nvm I guess. Same for Bitter Ordeal and every other card I mentioned lol.

Why no Cabal Coffers? There are many cool combos in here, I grant you. It looks like a fun deck for you to play. Bitter Ordeal is a fun alternate wincon if you have an infinite sac loop like with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Puppeteer Clique or Woodfall Primus. The former us the added bonus of reanimating all of your opponents creatures with haste if you've already heavily milled them and the latter wrecks all of their noncreature permanents.

If you are really concerned about targeted graveyard removal consider running Ground Seal; it turns off a couple cards in your deck but would protect everything really well and your mass recursion or Yawg Will effects would still work. Grafdigger's Cage is similar but almost definitely too much of a nombo. There's nothing you can run to protect from Rest in Peace effects other than counterspells and Chalice of the Void on 2 if you know you are playing against RiP. But once again, nvm my suggestions as you apparently considered Ground Seal already.

I honestly don't know too much about graveyard decks, and it seems orettt much perfect as it is right now... but seriously though awesome deck and the mana curve+mana base are both beautiful! +1 from me!

Oops I said orettt instead of pretty... sorry about the delay I was in a rush when I posted and I guess I forgot.

Why no Liliana vess? good tutor

Darkersun: I agree that Shambling Shell is one of the weaker dredge cards in general, but since it self-sacrifices it's easy to get it back into my graveyard.

It's easy and repeatable self-mill...plus, a T2 Altar of Dementia T3 Shambling Shell T4 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant curve is pretty sweet. 9 mill per turn, and up to 3 zombies? Sign me up :)

Haunted Dead is mostly there to dump Dread or reanimation targets into my graveyard when I need them out of my hand. It's one of the cheapest discard sources from my GY. But the flying blocker is very, very nice!

Incidentally, I've considered running Cabal Therapy so I can target myself. Thoughts? Lmao.

EternalBrewmaster: Orbs of Warding can be pretty sweet, agreed. It tended to be a little too situational in this deck, though, and non-creature slots are tight, so I ended up cutting it :( Ground Seal would neuter my deck, though, so I will have to pass on that one :(

ObamaIsIlluminatiOhYeah: Thanks! :) I'm glad you like the deck. Also, a very interesting username you have there, lol.

onemorevictim: Main reason - I have too many things that mill the top of my library during upkeep or untap, and it's not instant-speed like Vampiric Tutor :(