I Call Her Vera: Sidisi EDH [PRIMER]

Commander / EDH Daedalus19876

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kilgore says... #1

Think Academy Ruins and Buried Ruin are a good fit here?

Mesmeric orb and basalt monolith are to good to mill. This way you can usually get at least one back. And with crucible in play, you can return both to hand.

May 16, 2016 4:52 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #2

kilgore: Academy Ruins is amazing, and I'd LOVE to get a copy. But unless you feel like Paypal-ing me $25, I don't think it's in the cards for now :D

Buried Ruin is a very, very good idea, but I'm already having some trouble managing to get my three colors. Where would you slot it in?

May 16, 2016 5 p.m.

kilgore says... #3

Daedalus19876yeah I was lucky enough to get a copy $10 ago.

Reflecting Pool is a land I like in three color decks.

Chromatic Lantern I think is still a great inclusion to any and all three color decks. It's also another target for the ruins.

I wonder if you have to many black sources of mana?

May 16, 2016 10:58 p.m.

NotSquishedYet says... #4

I have noticed that the Battlecruiser style of Commander means that usually, going by my own commander deck, by the time I achieve 5-6 mana and all three colors, I have a triple blue, a double green, and a triple white; the mana base being balanced between all three colors in this format has far less detriment if the outer costs are imbalanced.

May 16, 2016 11:11 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #5

kilgore and NotSquishedYet: The mana is weird in this deck, honestly. I used to have Reflecting Pool in here, but it wasn't amazing. I almost never need double of a single color - most cards that contain that kind of mana cost are meant to be reanimated anyway (and thus bypassing the mana cost).

When I do need double, it is ALWAYS double (or triple or quadruple) black so I can chain several reanimation spells or what-have-you. I also have spent black to reanimate Wood Elves to grab Breeding Pool, so sometimes having black can guarantee me the other colors.

TLDR: My ideal land distribution is one Forest, one Island, and several Swamps. I'm still working on how to achieve that, however. Exotic Orchard used to work well; maybe I'll re-add it.

May 16, 2016 11:32 p.m.

NotSquishedYet says... #6

Hm.... I'll think on it.

On another note, you have a lot of broken combos waiting to happen - I had time to at least think of some general suggestions that may or may not help. I don't have much time, so I must apologize for the rough wording.

Mikaeus, the Unhallowed+Triskelion=You win.

Hell's Caretaker+Thornbite Staff+ETB=You win.

Kokusho, the Evening Star=Value/Win.

In B/W, for example, the Caretaker is broken because it allows a turn 2 Iona, Shield of Emeria on a good hand. T3 on an iffy one. I'm sure there's something to be abused with that...

Asceticism and other creature protection, so that it takes me an extra turn or two tutoring a bypass to steal your combo pieces and shut the deck down. Those few turns might make all the difference, because I always have another way.

Card tutors are absolutely necessary - I have at least 6 copies of every card in my EDH deck at any given time by the tutor chains, packed into the 99, and that's without the best tutoring color: Black.

Remember to have a contingency for everything, a backup for your contingency, and a way to get any of them at any given time. I'm not sure if there's any way to break a few of my game-locks without Supreme Verdict, but they take a while to set up.

May 16, 2016 11:53 p.m.

Phaetion says... #7

Have you given Lord of Extinction some thought? It gets huge with all the self-milling you're doing, and it pairs well with Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord as an alternate win con.

May 19, 2016 10:06 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #8

Phaetion: I've considered him before, but I already have several cards that take on a similar role (Golgari Grave-Troll and Sewer Nemesis) in the list. I could be convinced to stick him in (the aforementioned cards are great), but what would you cut to add him? I'd need to know where to stick him before spending $15 to get him :)

May 19, 2016 10:21 p.m.

Phaetion says... #9

I would probably cut either Wall of Blood or Basalt Monolith, though I'm leaning towards the former because I have a feeling that there's a use for the monolith outside of ramp.

Here's my argument for Wall of Blood: You added it because of its interaction with either Jodah's Avenger or Disciple of Bolas. You cut the avenger but kept the disciple. You're not really losing anything by replacing the wall with Lord of Extinction because you'll gain a truckton of life and cards-and you would not have spent so much life in the first place. You'll gain so much life that only Sorin Markov or Magister Sphinx will bring you down to earth.

My thoughts on Basalt Monolith is because it's just...there, though I have a feeling there's a reason but I'm not seeing it. Three mana is a considerable amount, but it doesn't untap unless I'm missing something.

I hope that helps. Taking out either will keep your CMC curve even if the fix raises it slightly.

May 19, 2016 10:36 p.m. Edited.

Daedalus19876 says... #10

Phaetion: Wall of Blood has proven its worth with Disciple and with Profaner of the Dead, so I'm reluctant to cut it. Basalt Monolith is a great mana rock - casting it T3 gives you 7 mana T4, which can often win the game - and instantly mills you with Mesmeric Orb. I might cut Reassembling Skeleton for him - RS hasn't been pulling his weight lately. Or perhaps Beast Within - I rarely have it when I need it, and it's important to raise my creature count here.

May 19, 2016 10:52 p.m.

Phaetion says... #11

Hmmm...it's a tough call. I'd want to say Beast Within, but that's a good card to have. I'd sooner say the skeleton but it's entirely up to you.

May 19, 2016 10:55 p.m.

Any feedback on my suggestions? I'm up for discussion. ;)

May 19, 2016 11:19 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #13

NotSquishedYet: Ah, sorry! There's been a lot of interest in this deck recently; I must have missed your comment :( In the order of your suggestions:

I refuse to play Mike/Trike, haha. It just feels...dirty - I try hard to avoid 2-card infinite combos. My only copy of Big Mike is also in a different deck: Beggars and Kings: Meren EDH

Hell's Caretaker+Thornbite Staff: I've seen this before, and considered it. (I could also get the same effect out of Intruder Alarm, which would also allow me to abuse Phenax further.) If Thornbite Staff were a creature, I'd put it in with no questions. However, there are very few slots in the deck for non-creatures, and TBS isn't able to replace any of them at the moment.

Kokusho, the Evening Star: I need to find a place for him (and also Grey Merchant of Asphodel), agreed :) If I only had one copy, though, I might stick them in the aforementioned Meren deck instead.

I agree that Hell's Caretaker is nutty - I'm surprised it's not used more often! It should be in every black EDH deck imho. He's target-number-1 in my meta, though, so he rarely gets as much value as he should.

Asceticism is a good idea, but again, I can't find a place right now. The deck is extremely explosive late-game, and I rarely have a way (nor the mana) to recur an enchantment from my GY. I also rarely draw cards late-game: either I'm drawing 30 but I'm low on mana (so I can't cast Asceticism with its GG cost) or I'm dredging rather than drawing and Asceticism is put into my GY.

And finally, tutors are amazing in every deck EXCEPT this one. The cards I need are almost always in my GY, so recursion takes the place of tutors (and reanimation grabs the creatures that recur, like Eternal Witness).

We seem to have slightly different approaches to combo-making :) I try to make it as fast and streamlined as possible, and you prefer to put in some safeguards first. It depends on personal inclination and on metagame, haha. I'd be killed while trying to setup the protections, I suspect. I rarely get disrupted these days by anything but Krosan Grip (cursed be its name). If I find I'm disrupted often, I'll definitely take your advice :)

May 20, 2016 12:09 a.m.

No problem!

I suppose the 2 card insta-wins are a bit dirty. :P My only 2-card combos are fetch-chains for the 8-card combos that say in one-on-one "You can't play the game." and in multiplayer "Can't touch this" with the song playing in the background.

I'll look for spots to suggest! In about a week, I'll have a LOT of time on my hands.

I might still include a couple to set up your mill combos so that the recursion can do the rest, with much more range.

Indeed... Different, but maybe not like that, entirely. My combos tend to be extremely fast and consistent, with backup pieces that add layers upon layers of impenetrable shelling until I control so much of the game that I can win whenever and however I like. The shelling comes first if someone's running anti-me stuff. ;)

Would you like to see the deck I speak of, to see the game plan I keep referring to? I may rebuff suggestions, but that's only by revealing an extremely subtle and powerful combo or necessary situation the cards are part of, so they're all very welcome anyway. Presenting fancy situations to see if I have some way of dealing with them or making them impossible is also welcome. ;)

May 20, 2016 12:45 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #15

NotSquishedYet: Sure, tag me on the deck you're talking about! I think we have similar feelings about suggestions: they're always welcome, but often the commenter doesn't see all of the small interactions created by the deck-builder and thus is misguided :) I sympathize, haha - every complex EDH deck is only truly playable by its original creator.

May 20, 2016 12:49 a.m.

AliasGreg says... #16

What do you think of The Gitrog Monster ?

May 20, 2016 9:43 a.m.

HalfLife4Mac says... #17

I love this deck, to the point that it is going to be the next one I build, but I'll admit I'm confused. How does Altar of Dementia + Extractor Demon /Selhoff Occultist+Sidisi, Brood Tyrant equal infinite zombies and opponent mill? Maybe I'm just having an off day, but do you mind explaining it to me?

But +1'd and favorited for sheer brilliance!

May 20, 2016 6:21 p.m. Edited.

Daedalus19876 says... #18

HalfLife4Mac: I'm flattered that you've been inspired by my deck! :) Here's how that combo works:

When sacrificing a zombie to Altar of Dementia, if you control Selhoff Occultist, you get an additional mill trigger for one card (two if you have Extractor Demon instead). You can point that at yourself, so you mill one, then another two. With Sidisi out, that will almost certainly create at least one more zombie (because the creature count of the deck is high) so you can repeat the process, and usually instantly empty your library.

However, the true combo begins when the last card of your library is Dread (ie when you've fully milled yourself). Then, you're guaranteed to hit a creature with every self-mill trigger (because Dread returns to your library as soon as it's milled). So, you can sacrifice a zombie to Altar of Dementia to mill yourself for 1 then 2, netting two zombies - in essence, you have an interaction that reads "Sacrifice a zombie: put two 2/2 black Zombies onto the battlefield" (then you could mill every opponent to death instantly).

Or, you could point the Altar trigger at the opponent and the Selhoff Occultist trigger at yourself, so the overall combo reads "Sacrifice a zombie: put a 2/2 black zombie onto the battlefield, then target opponent mills two".

Hope that helps! Also note that many EDH decks play an Eldrazi titan to prevent milling to death; you can get around this using Gravespawn Sovereign with your infinite zombies to steal everything put into the graveyard this way, including the Titan :D and don't forget that Yawgmoth's Will into Songs of the Damned can fetch all of the combo pieces :)

Feel free to make any changes or anything to my deck! I'd love to hear what works for you!

May 20, 2016 7:24 p.m.

The Titan would actually be shuffled into the library before Gravespawn Sovereign would take effect, unfortunately. Some method of exiling instead would be successful, if it can be found.

May 20, 2016 7:45 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #20

NotSquishedYet: I believe you are incorrect, sir.

The Titans' ability is phrased "When ~ is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles their GY into their library". You can respond to that ability by reanimating the Titan, and your response resolves first.

Their GY is still shuffled in, but the Titan will not be in their GY at the time and therefore won't be shuffled.

And since you have infinite mill, you then can mill the rest of their library without interference :)

May 20, 2016 8:08 p.m.

Hm.... I suppose so.

I remembered the GY being shuffled in, but for some reason I was thinking the Titans had a separate clause for themselves.

You are indeed correct, sir. I'd better ask my past self what I've been drinking this week, because I totally don't remember.

May 20, 2016 8:36 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #22

NotSquishedYet: If you don't remember what you've been drinking, you're clearly drinking the right stuff :D

May 20, 2016 8:39 p.m.

It must be, I guess. There's one problem, though. :|

Sometimes, I ask myself where I hid it... He says to bugger off, and polymorphs away. o_0

Sire of Stagnation could be interesting and Barrin, Master Wizard seems like it has a fair amount of support here. Thoughts?

May 20, 2016 8:48 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #24

NotSquishedYet: Sire of Stagnation used to be in here, actually. He's still in the maybeboard, because I'd happily add him could I but find space. However, he just...doesn't do enough late-game. I'd rather acquire a Consecrated Sphinx for that spot anyway, and both are in line behind some other cards like Palinchron.

Barrin, Master Wizard is just...not a card I enjoy here, sorry. I have a strong aversion to that kind of control, I can't easily cast him (I rarely have UU available), and he doesn't forward my GY plan. Plus, the biggest threats in my meta are non-creature, or have ETBs that I don't want my opponents reusing.

May 20, 2016 9:06 p.m.

HalfLife4Mac says... #25

Daedalus19876: Thanks for the explanation! That makes more sense now, lol. I'll let you know how the deck works out as I build it over the next few weeks! :)

May 20, 2016 9:19 p.m.

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