I don't think I suggested Diminishing Returns. My bad if it popped up somewhere. I was pointing out that Painbringer acts very similarly to the exile clause of the card, and trying to make a joke by planting the card as an explanation.

I play far less ramp; it works. Understandable meta call on Bojuka Bog. I see the reasoning for Sewer Nemesis as well. I suppose I'll leave it up to you to find room, from experience with the deck.

Sorry if this was a bit coarse. I've had a bad day or two and don't have much time today. Later this week, would you be available for a game as you suggested some time ago?

Just wanted to say that I played this deck for the first time tonight and had such a blast! Won the first game via Yawgmoth's Will and Dread Return to get Sewer Nemesis and Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord for the win. Surprised a few people. Also got to get a few chuckles from folks because of the Wall of Blood and Disciple of Bolas combo. Seriously fun deck! This may be a deck I want to foil out because I love it so much!

HalfLife4Mac: I'm glad you liked it so much! :) I'd love to hear more of your thoughts!

Daedalus19876: Can't think of anything right now, but as I play this more, I'm sure something will pop up. Keep up the good work :D

I stumbled across Lifeline the other day. This returns opponents creatures as well but if you trigger it while milling yourself. It seems to go not to play. What do you think?

Nevermind, I just read the errata. The creature has to die.

If you're having trouble with grave hate, you might be able to make something happen with Skaab Ruinator, Misthollow Griffin, and Torrent Elemental. They don't solve the problem, but they bypass it pretty good and they are pretty sweet in their own right.

MattStar: I see how MHG and TE would work against grave hate, but how would Skaab Ruinator help?

Skaab Ruinator is just an enabler for the other two if you mill them all into your graveyard.

Is there a third creature to use from exile so that the Ruinator doesn't have to hit anything important in the GY?

NotSquishedYet: I'm afraid I don't know of any other creatures that can be cast from exile :( There are plenty of unimportant creatures in the lategame that I can exile, though (particularly ones that ramp me early-game).

If any decent amount of cards end up in your hand, I could highly recommend Dreamborn Muse, as it ends up being another Mesmeric Orb effect.

Also, if you're looking for graveyard hate hate, then I could recommend Sadistic Sacrament to remove specific cards from an opponents library who you know is going to hate you out.

Sorry I don't really have any removal's for your deck, I know how it feels to find difficulty cutting cards, and I wish you the best of luck with this deck!

Hey there again. I noticed that you have The Gitrog Monster on your maybeboard. In my testing I have had some encouraging results with it. It automills you with Dakmor Salvage and a discard outlet like Putrid Imp. Outside of combos, gitrog has great synergy with Sidisi and your dredge enablers. I found that I could usually draw 3 to 4 extra cards a turn once they get rolling. I strongly suggest you give it a try if you haven't already. At 38 lands with many being self sacrificing, along with all your self mill effects you can really abuse the heck out of its ability.

Another Sidisi, Brood Tyrant player! You have an incredible deck. However, we play them quite differently. If you ever get a minute I wouldn't mind if you could take a quick look at my deck. I've started foiling it out because I love the interactions, and graveyard strategies have always been my favorite in Magic.

Don't dig the grave, I have a better use for that.

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Onto one problem you've mentioned that I have as well...graveyard hate. So far the only real suggestions I have for you is Orbs of Warding and/or Witchbane Orb. Almost all graveyard removal cards target a player. Leyline of the Void is still a problem, but as long as it isn't in an opponent's opening hand you might be able to do something about it, or play around it. I understand that you're looking for a creature that does this, but in sultai colors these are the only real options you have (being that you don't play white for Aegis of the Gods nor want to shuffle your entire graveyard into your library). I'm playing Elixir of Immortality at the moment, but I am looking for a replacement because I never really want to use it as I don't like losing my "second hand."

One creature I would recommend for you is Craterhoof Behemoth. It is a little expensive but can win games upon resolve, especially with you overwhelming the board with small creatures and zombies.

For the cards I've mentioned I would recommend taking out Shambling Shell, Twilight's Call, or possibly Moldgraf Monstrosity.

Shambling Shell seems extremely underwhelming in the deck. I'm not quite sure why it's there unless it is specifically for the dredge quality. If that is the case I believe you have enough dredge/mill mechanics that maybe a better utilized creature or card to protect the deck would be better? Twilight's Call is definitely preference, but I never had good luck with it. I felt it always stayed in my hand because I didn't want to give my opponent their creatures. I it has had better luck with you then by all means don't mind that suggestion. How has Moldgraf Monstrosity done for you? I never liked the random part of it. For your deck, being that you specifically want to put as many creatures as possible into the graveyard, does it benefit you enough to keep it at all costs?

Hope these help, but even if you don't end up using them more power to you man. Happy graveyarding any and all opponents!

Something you may want in here is Riftsweeper. At first, you're like "that seems pretty situational, and bad" buttt... I think you have a good deck to make use of it.

• This deck plows through the library, like seriously, I have played it twice now, and each time have all but decked myself (thanks Dread), so putting something back into your library is definitely where it belongs for you.

• GRAVE HATE. Okay, you are never going to be able to survive something like Rest in Peace for a long period of time, but you can blow it up and get back some key pieces of the deck using riftsweeper -- again, Dread comes to mind.

• BONUS: hoses suspend, for that rare case when the suspended Apocalypse is about to go off.

I really like this deck the only sugestions i have are consuming abberition to take advantage of your mill and is great with phenex also i would recommend Rings of Brighthearth and strionic resignator

aced420: Thanks for your comment! Sorry for jumping on you earlier :(

I wish I could include Rings of Brighthearth, but I don't own one, alas. Strionic Resonator isn't in here b/c it's a once-per-turn effect, and I'm usually tight on mana when I'm comboing off...but it has a perfect home in another of my decks! :0 (Red Scare: Zada EDH)

And unfortunately, Consuming Aberration only counts opponents' graveyards :( but Lord of Extinction does the job you're looking for! :)

I noticed you dropped Attrition. I just can't let go of this card. Was it a meta call?

kilgore: It wasn't precisely a meta call. My meta is black-heavy, but I'm still glad whenever I get Attrition onto the battlefield: it wrecks my opponents' creatures. It still has a place of honor in several of my other decks (Marchessa and Meren in particular).

The reason it's removed here is because unless it was in my opening hand, I was never actually playing it. I rarely draw cards during my Draw Step in this deck (I try to dredge as many as possible), and if I'm drawing a bunch of cards (say, off of Disciple of Bolas+Terastodon) I plan to win immediately.

Plus, I don't care about blockers in the slightest, and when I really need spot removal, reanimating Duplicant does the job better (exiles rather than destroys, and doesn't care about color).

It was a hard decision, because I love Attrition - but I had other cards that needed the slot more, and I needed the Attrition for another deck.

Grisly Salvage for extra digging, Dictate of Erebos/Grave Pact cuz you are running a lot of creatures and have a lot of tokens.

When I look at decks I look first at the lands, and you have a good start. The thing is I feel that you could do a bit better. Too many comes into play tapped lands can really hurt you when going up against stronger decks, or if you are seeing 2v1 situations. I would keep Crypt of A, and B Bog, but change the others.

The budget fetches are something that you should look to replace with Khans fetches if possible, and bounce lands are such an easy target for sport land removal that I do not suggest them.

Didgeridooda: I'm relatively low on cash right now, so I definitely can't afford the relevant fetches. My lands ETBing tapped doesn't actually hurt as much as you'd think, and I've never had someone remove one of my Karoo lands yet (because in my meta, there's always a million better targets, like Gaea's Cradle). I always play in multiplayer, and getting colors is the most important thing to me (the deck plays its first few turns mostly fixing mana, which is fine).

Actually, I've been considering cutting Crypt of Agadeem. It comes in tapped, doesn't give me colors, and gives less ramp than you'd think, unless I'm winning.

I was excited to use that one at first. It never worked out for me. I thought it might be a pet card, or extra efficient in here so I did not say take it out.

On the bouncers, I made a deck with them, and if a bounce land poofs, it pretty much sets me back so far I can not do anything about it.

One thing that I think fits here so well, but may have spiked recently is Volrath's Stronghold. I love that card, but not sure what it is at now. I will check after the post goes through lol. I use Chainer, Dementia Master in my mono black deck mostly as a combo protector, but he might be useful to you.

Didgeridooda: Yeah, if it said "creature card" rather than "black creature card", I'd be in love with it (Songs of the Damned is amazing). As it is, it's meh. Volrath's Stronghold is a great card, but it's expensive ($$$) and top of library effects can be a little tricky to work with. If Chainer didn't have that irritating exile clause, I'd play him with no difficulty. I'll still consider him though!