I have a vision (of me winning)

Commander / EDH Mastertoa

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sgt.zephyr says... #1

Paradox Engine is seriously insane in Muzzio! With it being out Im usually able to combo off somehow within a turn or two. Paradox Engine + Spine of Ish Sah, Ish Sah targeting itself, repeat for infinite untaps (with enough mana rocks).

March 26, 2017 11:06 a.m.

Mastertoa says... #2

yeah paradox engine went right into my paper deck.

March 26, 2017 11:25 p.m.

Sensei's Divining Top does not draw card without putting itself on the top of your library

March 28, 2017 10:51 p.m.

Mastertoa says... #4

If you are referencing the Draw your deck combo, the idea is you copy the ability, so top is saying draw a card, then put SDT on the top, then repeat. It draws a card, goes on top, then draws another card but it can't go on top because it's now in your hand, and no longer on the battlefield. the second ruling on top is that if it leaves the battlefield with the second ability on the stack, it stays in the zone it moved to. since the copy resolves before the second ability, there is still that ability on the stack, but top is on top of the library. then you draw top with the original ability, replay top and repeat having drawn a card

March 29, 2017 12:13 a.m.

You will lose SDT when you draw, though

March 29, 2017 11 a.m.

Mastertoa says... #6

What do you mean? with infinite mana and rings of brighthearth you copy the draw. it makes it essentially say draw a card, return SDT to your hand. you draw, put SDT on top, then draw again and can't put it on top because it changed zones while the ability was on the stack.

March 29, 2017 6:30 p.m.

Let's review the two abilities of SDT. 1. Look at the top three cards of your library. 2. Draw a card, the n put SDT on top

How do you draw infinitely?

March 29, 2017 8:34 p.m.

Mastertoa says... #8

you copy SDT's second ability with rings. from this point onwards i will only be referencing SDT's second ability. stack from top to bottom is

SDT ability copySDT ability

Copy resolve.

You draw, Put SDT on top

Stack is

SDT ability

SDT (the card) is now on top of your library. Because it has changed zones, it is a NEW OBJECT to the game. anything referencing the old SDT can't find it, because that SDT ceased to exist when it changed zones.

original ability resolves. you draw, and try to put SDT on top. SDT (the card) is now in your hand, and because the ability was referencing the original object, which no longer exists, it can't put it on the top of your library.

When the game tells you to do something, and it can't be done all the way, you do it as far as possible. Eg. Discard 2 cards. if you have 1 card in hand, you discard 1 card. Just because you don't have 2 cards to discard, doesn't mean you don't try.

SDT's second ability can draw, but if the object no longer exists, it can't complete the actions. So with 2 second abilities, SDT says draw a card, Put SDT on top, draw a card, Put SDT on top. Since SDT as referenced by that ability is an object that ceased to exist when it got put on top the first time, it simply draws a card and can't put a nonexistant object back on top.

March 29, 2017 10:26 p.m.

CharonSquared says... #9

I don't see Paradox Engine in your decklist =O

November 4, 2017 2:14 a.m.

Mastertoa says... #10

it went straight into my paper deck, this is a just a bit out of date

November 5, 2017 12:58 a.m.

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