You might enjoy trying to Reverberate and Twincasting Enduring Ideal. Now I might be wrong, and if so and if someone corrects me on this I'll bring it up at my EDH playgroup, but the epic trigger is on the resolution of the spell meaning that not only can you still cast spells while the epic spell is still on the stack but also, in the case of reverberate or twincast, you'll get multiple epic triggers. These spells are also a good way to get around control players as you can easily counter their spells also (since you have red) Vexing Shusher.
November 8, 2015 11:24 a.m.
Doesn't Night of Souls' Betrayal wipe out your Cleric tokens?
November 8, 2015 11:31 a.m.
Swapped Night of Souls' Betrayal back into the sideboard, as correctly pointed out it doesn't work well maindecked alongside Heliod, God of the Sun. Not sure how I ever thought that would be a good idea.
Cheers!
March 3, 2016 4:52 a.m.
dodgermcnasty says... #5
ever thought of adding one omniscience? search for it on the first cast then dump your hand if you have good stuff in it?
May 3, 2016 12:21 p.m.
I like the way you're thinking, however I hadn't considered using Omniscience because Enduring Ideal's 'Epic' keyword prevents any further spells being cast by me for the rest of the game. As the wording on Omniscience is 'cast' nonland cards it is stopped by 'Epic', if they went directly on the stack that would work.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
May 3, 2016 3:10 p.m. Edited.
I've been waiting for dovescape to be good since it came out. Seems busted with epic.
May 10, 2016 10:53 a.m.
Thought of adding on Fork or whatever? You can copy an epic spell while it's still on the stack and get 2 per turn...
May 12, 2016 3:53 p.m.
@Nickick I have considered using Reverberate and it is already on the Maybeboard, I just haven't taken the plunge and tried it out yet. In theory it should be a great addition and would increase the chances of getting the spell to resolve once at the very least. I might test out a couple of them in the deck and see how it plays.
Twincast may be the spell I use though as there is more chance of hitting than .
Thanks for the suggestion.
May 12, 2016 4:10 p.m. Edited.
Ah yes, I missed that it was on the maybeboard.
Yeah, Twincast would be the better one there I think.
Really like the idea behind your deck though!
May 14, 2016 7:52 a.m.
jon_hill987 says... #14
You should add Solemnity to go with Phyrexian Unlife.
July 23, 2017 3:48 a.m.
I have Solemnity in the sideboard and had considered it mainboard for the interaction with Phyrexian Unlife, I'm just weighing it up against removing Luminarch Ascension as it prevents the quest counters.
I'm a little nervous dropping to one win-condition (Form of the Dragon) against Surgical Extraction etc and other win conditions I've considered (Heliod, God of the Sun and Assemble the Legion) tend to not get through blockers.
Perhaps though game 1 is better suited to Phyrexian Unlife + Solemnity with the option to board in Luminarch Ascension or a second Form of the Dragon as the risk of losing all copies permanently is low enough.
Thanks for the suggestion.
July 23, 2017 4:05 a.m.
jon_hill987 says... #16
So you do, I missed that in the sideboard. I don't think you need worry about it breaking Luminarch Ascension, you can keep it in hand and only play it when you start getting poison counters.
July 23, 2017 4:14 a.m.
jon_hill987 says... #17
Perhaps you could use Sigil of the Empty Throne in place of Luminarch Ascension? You have enough enchantments.
July 23, 2017 4:19 a.m.
The problem with both of those ideas is that the main aim to to cast Enduring Ideal to tutor for enchantments each upkeep, which means that I am unable to cast future spells, so cards in hand are stuck there. Also as the enchantment cards are put into play I don't cast them so they wont trigger Sigil of the Empty Throne.
But I do agree with your earlier suggestion and I think that I'll switch out the Luminarch Ascension for Solemnity and see if I ever regret it.
July 23, 2017 4:33 a.m.
If you're running 4x Lotus Bloom, you really aught to consider running As Foretold. That would open up Ancestral Vision as a draw source as well.
July 26, 2017 1:16 p.m.
That is a pretty good combination, but I think it's in the wrong colours for this deck. I know I can get pretty much any enchantment through Enduring Ideal, but two off colour spells seems a bit too high risk. Thanks for the suggestion though.
I have been looking at As Foretold as it was originally described to me as Aether Vial for spells. In that regard I thought it would be a way to get around the 'Epic' restriction of Enduring Ideal, but unfortunately it doesn't as the spells are still cast.
I agree the synergy with Ancestral Vision is excellent, but at the moment I don't think there is a place for it in the deck, mostly because I don't own any copies of that $50 card!! I have seen it played in a pretty good deck along with Restore Balance, Greater Gargadon and Living End so definitely respect it's power.
Thanks again for the comment.
July 26, 2017 3:06 p.m. Edited.
Enduring ideal has been a win con in my edh deck for a couple years now, the first card out is always Possibility Storm as it doesn't effect Enduring Ideal
July 27, 2017 9:43 a.m.
That is a genius synergy that I have never considered. The added disruption may just be a final lock piece to cover creature-based removal such as Reclamation Sage, Qasali Pridemage or Acidic Slime that have a habit of knocking Dovescape over.
Think I'll try running it in a few playtests and see how it fares. Thanks for the suggestion.
July 27, 2017 2:39 p.m.
Two great suggestions :D I have used the Rule of Law + Possibility Storm combo before in an EDH deck.
Axis of Mortality is an interesting new card, I'll give it a run out and see how it fares. It could provide a decent additional win condition if I can get down to negative life, but it could be a "win more" card as at 6 mana I'd hope to have sown the game up. However it might be worth it just to cast it against a Death's Shadow deck!
October 6, 2017 2:28 p.m.
Since you used to run this deck with Blue, have you already tried Paradox Haze? If not, it might be worth testing the deck with a splash of Blue just for that card.
January 27, 2018 11:35 a.m.
Thanks for the suggestion. I have run the deck with Paradox Haze in the past, but rarely found myself a position where I could take a turn off to cast or tutor for P.Haze to get the benefit of an extra upkeep so dropped it.
Ilpastore says... #1
How about keranos?
November 2, 2015 3:33 p.m.