You can use Personal Sanctuary , this way you only sacrifice humans for the flip
January 10, 2012 11:41 p.m.
Thaifortune says... #3
As bad of a card as it is, Personal Sanctuary could have a home here. I honestly believe there will be more demons like this that deal damage to you(maybe that Lich who's gonna be spoiled today), so I'm excited to see this deck evolve. +1 and I'll be keeping an eye on this.
January 10, 2012 11:47 p.m.
broodwarjc says... #4
The problem with using personal sanctuary to protect yourself is that the demon still TAPS himself and deals the 9 damage so you don't take any damage, but you can't attack with the TAPPED demon.
January 11, 2012 12:21 a.m.
good point you have there, but personal sanctuary is awesome for those times when you don't have sacrificial humans
January 11, 2012 8:18 a.m.
Thaifortune says... #6
Wondering if the new Sorin can fit in here. Most likely a yes, because he's perfect for aggro builds.
January 11, 2012 8:43 a.m.
logicalinsanity says... #7
This is exactly what I was thinking of building once the new ravenous transformer card was announced.
January 11, 2012 3:18 p.m.
FML. I'm a goon, try Skirsdag High Priest .
That's what I meant
January 11, 2012 3:58 p.m.
Wow lotsa comments! Alright lets start from the top.
It is true that increasing devotion is a good fit for the champion of the parish buff and the demon fodder but Unburial rites also has the added bonus of bringing back the demons right to the battlefield, It is nice if I can recur the demons because if you look I have many ways of providing human fodder, not just tokens.
Im having to agree with broodwarjcs eassessment of personal sanctuary, It is nice for those times when I can not sacrifice a human but the benifit it provides is not worth the slots that I would have to free up for it.
Ahhh... I am drooling over that new sorin.... and hes white black! thats ridculous, I, like most people im sure, figured that he would be red/black. If I pull any with the box I get he will most def find a home in here.
@ logicalinsanity. I KNOW RIGHT! ahh i new i had to jump on it fast so i could reliably say I had the first build of it =P. probably not the first but id like to think so.
@ Dmci dont worry man its all good =P
Thanks everyone for the comments and +1s!
January 11, 2012 4:53 p.m.
Oh and actually i forgot a couple.
@ Strangelove I know they would be broken but itd be sooo cool!
@ ComptinaDaemonium Yea i know the feeling, i Actually want to kinda just make a demon deck but Im not really sure how I would go about that with demons costing (manawise) so much. Hard to get started. In this deck I actually have very little mana problems, with only a few cards needing more then a single unit of colored mana. So the grottos wont be needed.
January 11, 2012 5:08 p.m.
I haven't seen any of the spoilers, but if the aim is to sacrifice humans/get cheap humans to sacrifice, Heartless Summoning is cool, like really cool.
I have been taking into consideration how many cards ins standard right now are 3cmc with one additional colored mana...THERE ARE SO MANY! This is the case especially with instants/sorceries, but cards like Village Bell-Ringer , Village Cannibals , Selhoff Occultist , Hanweir Watchkeep Flip Flip. Bitterheart Witch . Laboratory Maniac , Elder Cathar , Mentor of the Meek , Elder of Laurels , Daybreak Ranger Flip Flip, and Villagers of Estwald Flip Flip all become 1cc and they all survive the trip onto the field.
They all get -1/-1, but it utilizes Heartless Summoning 's ability well because they aren't dead flops that sit on the field as one/one's or zero/one's because they will have a function. ANDDD those are only the humans, narrowed further by the fact they are humans that convert to one cc who don't go directly into the graveyard (not the Bitterheart Witch , but the rest are and Woodland Sleuth is nuts because it can bring back the human you sacrificed the turn earlier!).
It also adds draw power because it makes cards that wouldn't normally get the trigger from Mentor of the Meek (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong), less than or equal to 2 power haha.
I don't know, I just figured I would lend my opinion
January 11, 2012 5:32 p.m.
lol, I started typing my comment before you posted, and the intent was to point out the cards you could use while bringing the casting cost of the demon's themselves down also.
+1
January 11, 2012 5:44 p.m.
I really think you have something there and first off id like to thank you for your opinion. The heartless summoning angle would probably work well and you could pretty easily play a deck around that, the only problem is that in this deck it would be not as impressive because of the myriad 1/1s that get produced. I dont wish to change the deck around to include it because I dont want to be reliant on the drawing of a single card (heartless summoning) but in a dedicated deck that is made like that it could work very well, and might be even more effective then other heartless summoning decks because you can actually play your creatures even without the enchantment.
The idea behind this one is that it does not rely on a single thing, you can win with and army of tokens, or a buff champion of the parish or the super tramplin demon.
Thank you for your input though and I have faith that another deck could be made with that idea in mind but it would not work as well in this particular case. Thanks!
January 11, 2012 5:50 p.m.
True but five is not so much to begin with anyway and on the turn that most opponents could lay down a titan I can have a 9/9 flying trampler.
Also you are right about mentor of the meek and heartless summonings effects.
January 11, 2012 5:52 p.m.
Ah, good to know about the Mentor, and I didn't realize the token's aspect because I didn't see what the new sorin does, or the new token generators do.
And you're right Heartless wouldn't fit in this setting haha. unless, you went backwards...I'm a big fan of combat tricks and putting my opponent in positions to make decisions where they aren't familiar. but IF, and it's a big IF, you could work out getting the demons you need out and or get the bombs out quickly first, then get rid of the Heartless Summoning (depending on how many are currently on you) with something like Oblivion Ring , Silverchase Fox , or if you used the Bitterheart Witch to get more curses that might aid you in your endeavors you could even use Witchbane Orb to eliminate everything and then flood the field with the little tyke 1/1's on turn 5or 6 (kinda late I know).
since you are drawing into a majority of your deck, it is like getting an overrun without the trample in a sense because if you blow all the curses off you the 3/3's out that you wouldn't normally be able to play on turn 2 or 3, become 5/5's or 4/4's and you can swing with the little ones or something to that effect.
I probably sound crazy, I'm going to go look at the spoilers and make a more sound speculation lol.
January 11, 2012 6:14 p.m.
broodwarjc says... #19
Still loving the deck, Sorin adds another good aspect to the deck, too bad he doesn't make human tokens. The annoying thing about making a deck for a set that is not out yet is that just when you think you have the deck ready, a new card gets revealed that blows away others you had in the deck. By the way you might want to get those Sorins ASAP when DKA comes out, because the hype for him is reaching the levels that Liliana reached and he is going to skyrocket in price.
January 11, 2012 7:56 p.m.
Witchbane Orb wouldn't get Heartless Summoning off because it is just an enchantment, it is not a curse on anyone, so you would only be able to get rid of it using Oblivion Ring /Silverchase Fox /Ray of Revelation , the ray is getting reprinted in case anyone didn't see and only sees the old one.
January 11, 2012 8:34 p.m.
I found the spoilers of DA after I ate dinner...OMG haha. This new set is going to be nuts to draft in and makes nearly all the cards in Innistrad so much more powerful than they were before.
Since I have a better idea of where the set is going, for this list you're making, I would definitely make it 3 color and focus less on the humans and such from Innistrad because the new humans are going to blow everything away lol. I see no reason you shouldn't play green as your third color. I would say its worth it just based on the cards that were spoiled.
Hunger of the Howlpack would let you make Ravenous Demon Flip a 12/12 with flying and trample and you could still reap the benefits of having ramp in your deck. card:Avacyn's Pilgrim is this block's Llanowar Elves except he's a human and a one drop which would let you play Champion of the Parish and Elite Inquisitor turn two.
From what I gather also, even if you don't have the human to sacrifice, if you decide to play Village Bell-Ringer then it will let you untap the demon and attack. Do it twice and you now get the fateful hour bonus on Gather the Townsfolk and Heartless Summoning GOOD! lol...accompanied by the Ray of Revelation it would let you destroy the curse if you wanted to later anyway.
Elder Cathar now looks SOOOOOOOOOOOOO good...food for the Ravenous Demon Flip that will make him stronger and for one more green make him a 13/13. I can't wait for the prerelease lol.
@McChisel you're right, I was thinking of card:Curse of Death's Hold being a curse
P.S.-if a Mod sees this or something, the website is registering Thraben Doomsayer as thraben DDomsayer. (I thought that was funny)
January 11, 2012 9:42 p.m.
Strangelove says... #22
@Witteee: Before you post all over the place, please reread what you're typing. card:Avacyn's Pilgrim is green, so you would NOT have 3 white mana turn two to play Champion of the Parish and Elite Inquisitor . And Elder Cathar could be good, but not really for Ravenous Demon Flip (maybe WITH it, but not FOR it). Heartless Summoning would also be terrible with so many weenies. 2nd post where you've only created clutter and generated clutter (this post and previous).
I also disagree with green. It'd just water everything down and there's not really much in green you want to play (yet).
I like it as it is. Though I'd experiment with Diabolic Tutor in an attempt to smooth the mana curve. Also, -1 Tribute to Hunger /Go for the Throat +1Doomed Traveler imo.
January 11, 2012 10:51 p.m.
=P Still pushing 4 of Doomed Traveler eh Strangelove?
First off though, I like your suggestions Witteeeand the enthusiasm is great but its true what Strangelove says, the addition of green would just spread the deck too thin and thats why I cut green from it in the early on. You do have a point with Village Bell-Ringer and thats a good suggestion, I shot other people down on that one too though because I figured that Im almost always going to have humans to sacrifice or a means to create them, If I had more room i would include him but I dont know if anything in the deck can be taken out to put in a situationally useful creature. Maybe in the sideboard against decks that run Massacre Wurm
@ broodwarjc Yea I know =P like a couple hours after I thought I had this figured out they put up Increasing Devotion (really cant wait to see the rest of that cycle too) and I was like That needs to be in! And Im kinda banking on getting one in a box because I dont know what they are to preorder but they are probablystill not cheap. Even if they hype, liliana went down after a bit (then up but thats not the point) so ill just have to keep a lookout as the price fluctuates. Im just in love with his -2! (can you stack emblems?)
@ Strangelove I did have the tutor in here in the first draft, after making cuts though it fell through. I just was not sure about it, obviously it would probably fetch a demon most of the time but it has options.
January 11, 2012 11:35 p.m.
Jokernaught says... #24
Unless by some ungodly reason you cheatyfaced a plains onto the battlefield.
Lmao Seriously, abbreviate your responses. It was like reading a Stephan King novel. it was Horror-ible.
I do recommend Elder Cathar . This deck would pop with that card. and after seeing a really good R/B tutor Vampire today, I highly recommend Diabolic Tutor .
broodwarjc says... #1
Deck looks sweet and I kinda agree with the Increasing Devotion inclusion over Unburial Rites, the pump to your Champion of the Pariah from casting it is insane.
January 10, 2012 11:20 p.m.