wbroomhead says... #2
Ah alright! Thanks for your suggestions rothgar13. I guess I personally wanted to use Gifts Ungiven, and didn't really playtest the build too much. I'll see what I can do to the decklist!
July 24, 2015 11:47 a.m.
17 creatures seems way to low for COCO, i generally see 20-28 creatures, in order to get reliable hits. only running 17 creatures out of 4, you'll probably hit on 2, and out of those 2 youll probably only hit 2-3 creatures total...
August 4, 2015 11:36 a.m.
wbroomhead says... #4
Yeah, I was thinking that, too! Do you have any suggestions Dimukon on any other creatures that would do well in the deck? I'll play around with bringing some cards up to 4-ofs, maybe move a lot of the removal to the sideboard. Thank you for commenting!
August 4, 2015 11:47 a.m.
I second Dimukon's suggestion, and I like your idea of how to incorporate it. That said, if you end up moving Path to Exile to the board, you should definitely reconsider your mana base and whether the splash is worth it at that point.
August 4, 2015 11:52 a.m.
wbroomhead says... #6
Excellent point rothgar13. After some playtesting, I think I'll eliminate the white (It also makes the deck cheaper!) Thank you!
August 5, 2015 12:15 p.m.
Probably the right call. I think that is an underrated color combination, and this deck may be a good way to explore it.
August 5, 2015 12:28 p.m.
Infinite Reflection, because you have enough ramp to get it out turn 4, for a win con.
August 11, 2015 4:20 p.m.
A Aura in a deck with no protection or counterspells that you might have trouble casting in the first place is like waving a big sign at your opponent that says, "Please 2-for-1 me and wreck my tempo in the process." Not a fan.
August 11, 2015 4:24 p.m. Edited.
Femme_Fatale says... #11
Huh. Collected Company is sure a way to go about it. I made a Biovisionary deck years ago, it may give you some ideas.
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August 11, 2015 5:11 p.m.
Izu_Korasu says... #13
Mirrorweave seems like a fun card to add here and turns your mana dorks into Biovisionarys at instant speed/an opponents turn.
August 11, 2015 10:29 p.m.
isaaccclark says... #14
Problem with Mirrorweave is that if the opponent has four or more creatures, it would end the game in a tie as you gave him Biovisionarys as well. I think it could work if you're careful, but I wouldn't play with a full set.
August 12, 2015 6:23 a.m.
Izu_Korasu says... #15
feel free to double-check with your Local game store's/an online judge but:
it would never end in a tie.
When multiple triggered abilities trigger simultaneously, the order in which they're added to the stack is determined by APNAP (Active Player, Non-Active Player) order. First, all of the active player places their triggers on the stack in the order of their choosing, and then the next player in turn order does the same, and so forth.
In 2-player: aslong as its not your turn, you can stack the triggers so that you win from Biovisionary (causing the game to end before other triggers resolve)
Mirrorweave is also yours, and it's effects would end before your opponents endstep triggers (4x biovisonary).
August 12, 2015 9:47 a.m.
isaaccclark says... #16
Ah, okay cool. Thanks for the brush up. I should probably read up on these before just jumping in.
Cool concept, and good suggestion. Sorry again, but now I know.
August 12, 2015 10:13 a.m.
Draglord_Sim says... #17
It may be too fighty for your deck, but how about Mirror Mockery?
August 12, 2015 11:19 a.m.
wbroomhead says... #18
All good suggestions!I'll consider Mirrorweave, It does seem like a great play (To win on their turn).
Unfortunately Draglord_Sim Mirror Mockery says to exile it at the end of combat, so I can't really use it to power the combo.
Thank you guys for your suggestions!
August 12, 2015 5:10 p.m.
lagotripha says... #19
How about Timberpack Wolf and Vines of Vastwood as an alternate (aggressive) gameplan and protection. All that creature copying...
August 12, 2015 5:31 p.m.
Trockenmatt says... #20
wbroomhead, that actually wouldn't work if another player had 4 or more creatures, because it says EACH other creature, without the "you control" part.
August 12, 2015 5:42 p.m.
wbroomhead says... #21
Right, but I believe IzuKorasu cleared that up well.
I'll check with a judge next time I go to play Modern
August 12, 2015 6:59 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #22
In order to win with Mirrorweave, you have to do in on your opponent's end turn. Because if you did it on your own, your own, your opponent's would win before you did.
Basically it goes like this, if it is your turn, and you cast Mirrorweave targeting Biovisionary with 4 creatures, the Biovisionary's win con ability goes on the stack. Then, priority gets past to your opponent. If they have 4 creatures, their Biovisionary's win con ability goes on the stack. Since you have nothing to stop that, their ability resolves before yours does and they win the game. This is why you must always play Mirrorweave on the opponent's end step.
August 12, 2015 11:45 p.m.
wbroomhead says... #24
No, not yet, but I can see it as a problem. I guess cards like Maelstrom Pulse are why I threw in countermagic in the sideboard
rothgar13 says... #1
I like the concept of this deck. However, I don't like some of the choices made to support it. I disagree with the notion that Gifts Ungiven is necessary given that you already have Collected Company and Summoner's Pact (I'd just have more Pacts instead), and I think you need to have a better gameplan against people trying to kill your guys. I strongly recommend Simic Charm, which can save a creature from either spot removal (hexproof or pump) or a sweeper (bounce), in addition to acting as a disruption tool for anyone faster than you. I also think you need more cantrips (like Gitaxian Probe and Serum Visions), because when assembling combo pieces, information and deck thinning are very important aspects of the gameplan. Also, why is Farseek even here? You have 22 lands, 6 mana dorks, and you curve out at 4. You should have no mana problems whatsoever (if anything, you might be able to trim some of that for more utility/deck thinning).
July 24, 2015 11:44 a.m.