How odd. I thought damnation was played more until i just checked.

That doesn't make it a bard card though. It's still pretty great.

It does stuff against burn (preventing damage), tokens (sacrifice enchantment and removing token), Abzan (+1/+1 and fighting), Twin (fighting and sacrificing enchantment), Delver (+1 and fight), and others.

But then is there a reason why it's not in the side?

VampireArmy, TheAlexGnan - Rare in a poorly opened set that does something unique in those colours.

FAMOUSWATERMELON - Because against burn I'm already set, against tokens I'm weak but I don't care, against the mirror and Jund I'm already sorted with Sigarda and mana denial, against Twin I have Abrupt Decay, against Delver I have Abrupt Decay and life gain.

I don't feel like I NEED it.

Edit: Replace my Abrupt Decay in the side for a Dromoka's Command?

I wasn't thinking price. I was thinking in a meta flooded with creatures, a deck like jund would need something to do more than 1 for 1 all game long

VampireArmy - Jund can 1-for-1 with bolt until T3 when it lands Liliana and then T4 when it lands hunt master which gives two creatures for the price of one.

Jund is /supposed/ to have a poor matchup against very fast aggro decks. It certainly used to be the case. However Putrefy is putting in good results and suggesting this is not the case.

I'm gonna chuck command in the side and force myself to bring it in when I can for testing.

I have been summoned. It's true Sigarda, Host of Herons is a nightmare for Jund to deal with.

I think Dromoka's Command is tied for 2nd best after Atarka's Command and with Kolaghan's Command. It has so many uses in the meta right now, you can open up boardstalls in the mirror (+1/+1 my Rhino, fight your Rhino), you can deny the 2nd gameplan of twin (after sb they mostly are U/R burn-tempo-control, going "counter your bolt, fight your clique with my Siege Rhino or w/e beater you have" is huge), it's good against burn for the same reason: "counter your whatever burnspell, you sacrifice your Eidolon of the Great Revel".

I don't think Abrupt Decay deserves a sideboard-slot right now. I don't even think you should run more than 3 in the mainboard. I do however think that you want 4 Inquisition of Kozilek. It'S so good against the aggressive meta right now, it beats: Infect, Bogles, Burn, Affinity (go ahead dump all but 1 card on T1 and let me take that Arcbound Ravager out of your hand). Also against what decks do you really need Thoughtseize over Inquisition of Kozilek right now? I think Thoughtseize is just a worse Inquisition right now and you'd be stupid to pay 2 life for the same effect. I think the only cards you might wanna take with it may be Collected Company. Control is basically dead and Twin plays like 1 or 2 Cryptic. Also Twin should be a no-brainer for Abzan anyways (now that you have Dromoka's Command to successfully deny their secondary game-plan). Does anyone actually play Scapeshift? That would be another reason to run more Thoughtseize. I think you should go for a 4/2 split here ChiefBell.

But back to the reason why I was summoned: I think Jund is built to demolish quick/fast aggro decks. Reason is because you have Blackcleave Cliffs and Lightning Bolt. Affinity can be tough especially if they run Welding Jar and you don't find a Terminate but once the game goes past T4 and you can resolve a Olivia Voldaren while being at a reasonable life-total like 5-10 you can no longer lose. Also Kolaghan's Command being a 2-for-1 in one card is huge.

Putrefy - I fear Tron, but I don't think it's around enough to warrant the extra Seize. Scapeshift is bothersome too, and Bloom can be as well. Scapeshift can't be hit much by Inquisition, whilst I can take Amulet of Vigor, but not Primetime.

Yeah I'm hesitant to go +1/-1 seize/kozilek, but I can see that it probably is a wise choice.

I think you don't beat tron by taking any of their huge threats. You beat tron by taking the enablers and keeping them off tron for as long as possible. A good friend of mine was playing G/R Tron for a long period of time and taking the enablers from him often held more success than taking that one Karn Liberated from him on T1.

Edit: that matchup is still the worst...

Against Bloom I think it's the same. You want to take the enablers. If he plays 1 Karoo per turn you should win pretty easily. Take their Bloom and Amulet and let them watch you play threat after threat while they sit there doing nothing turn after turn because you just disrupted their "combo" enough. Also if you truly fear the Bloom Titan deck you should run Aven Mindcensor in the board - which could become a huge player again if the CC-Elves/Abzan decks see more play (they both run 4 Chord of Calling and are very weak to fliers in general).

That's interesting. I usually /try/ to beat tron by taking threats. Might try that differently next time. I've actually handily beaten Bloom before with Vault of the Archangel haha.

CC is weak to fliers ... and I don't like it. I'm really debating putting back in Kira, Great Glass-Spinner back in my CCBears just to help deal with fliers but I really don't have the space. That and so many of my cards have protection from removal already. Interestingly though, I'm no longer worried about Abzan's tokens as much as I used to be, as the Souls can no longer swing at me for like 8 a turn when I start dropping down Mirran Crusaders and Auriok Champions just to have a Worship hit the field a few turns later.

Also to note, I think it is best to have the discard as it is right now. Getting a Thoughtseize turn 2 or 3 is really important in killing turn 4 plays. The life loss I've found never really mattered for Junk because of all of its lifegain. Having just a one card difference in order to have a better chance at dealing with 20% of the meta that is combo I think is a good thing.

Oh, have you thought about Gaddock Teeg in the sideboard ChiefBell?

Uhhh... is that how you spell utilization in the UK?

With an s?

We don't use 'z' in the UK almost ever.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Time to resleeve my EDH deck. Such is the life of KMC user.

Oh god I thought this was JC. SORRY LOL

Time to resleeve my Abzan modern deck.

I'm play testing my grixis delver list and I have a couple questions. In your experience how does the matchup fair? Both pre and post board. Also how do you sideboard?

I don't play it a lot. We can test together sometime. Message me and we can hop onto untap or cockatrice

Abzan is very favored against Grixis Delver. Delver has something like 30-40% win rate at best against abzan pre and post board. Abzan is really efficient so it's hard for delver to gain a lot of tempo. Delver is also a slower aggro so it can't win before Abzan stabilizes. Delver also struggles a lot with big creatures, which abzan plays to excess. In short, every part of the delver plan is easily un-done by an abzan deck.

Because of that, I built my delver deck specifically to be favored against both burn and Abzan. My list is Delving Towards Death and I have to sideboard in 12 cards to beat abzan. It's a complete rebuild of the deck post-board because the matchup is that bad. I switch into basically and anti-abzan midrange deck that lands bigger threats and non-interactive cards. There's no deciding factor in who wins, but abzan hand removal swings the game in their favor.

If abzan gets Lingering Souls and as many Abrupt Decay + Path to Exile in their opening hand as I have Vampire Nighthawk and Bitterblossom and I don't have Jace, Architect of Thought, then Abzan wins.

If I have Jace, Architect of Thought and more creatures than abzan has removal, then I win.

If I can survive past turn 7-8 and land an Outpost Siege, then I win.

If Abzan lands a Vault of the Archangel and more creatures than I have removal, then Abzan wins.

If Abzan gets Liliana of the Veil and Lingering Souls and I don't have Lightning Bolt, then Abzan wins.

If I can get Batterskull and Bitterblossom, then I win. (Idea: what if I ran 4 of each in the sideboard and relied on them to win? They are pretty good anti-abzan cards).

So I guess it really comes down to redundancy of cards by situation. I try to beat them at their own game of attrition by making their efficiency useless but Abzan can out-aggro me before I get set up or if they hit their removal spells just right, they can remove my threats before I get value off of them.

ChiefBell I stole your list for playesting purposes and have done a few hundred of playtests post-board using the abzan sideboard swaps I have listed on my deck and probably went around 60-40. Chief, if you don't mind me asking, how would you sideboard in games 2 and 3? I think the sideboard swaps would be different for your deck in games 2 and 3 because my deck rebuild would be unexpected in game 2. I think playtesting against a post-board abzan would be more helpful.

sirbar and Figag hit me up if you want to test for real.

Figag - Bring in Dromoka's Command in place of Dismember. Bring in Feed the Clan because it's always appreciated against a tempo deck that's trying to be fairly fast. Bring in Timely Reinforcements again because delver might try to just aggro me away. The last two choices are contingent on how aggressive I feel the delver deck is. If its not running the usual layout of burn spells I wouldn't make many changes at all. I'd be tempted to replace Liliana of the Veil. Against delver I really like to cut as much of my curve down to 1-2 mana as possible. Lili's good. But not against fliers with 3 power.

I prefer to playtest myself because a lot of people are like 'i play tested 100 times and it was very much in my favour' then I pilot the deck myself and they get crushed because you know, it's not an easy deck to play.

I think I do an okay job of playtesting with Abzan, but I'm not sure. I know that I can't pilot Twin very well or Affinity at all, so I have only done 1-2 playtests with each. I've playtested extensively with Burn and Abzan because they're easier to use for me. I also just can't find a Twin list I like / think is realistic to what I'll see.

Chief if you want to playtest yourself against my deck, try using this deck: Self Denial playtesting because I have the sideboard set to Abzan right now and don't change it often. Don't play against my game 1 arrangement because it's an absolute train wreck against Abzan. If you do playtest I that deck it shouldn't be too difficult, but just play Spellskite before Bitterblossom or Vampire Nighthawk. It's the only non-straightforward move. Also, my deck changes to midrange post-board so don't try to aggro win because that's not really possible.

TheAlexGnan yeah, I've been playtesting a lot. I don't really have friends or other responsibilities, so it's my go-to pastime. I really hope my deck works in the end.