Introducing Noble: the Format

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KorApprentice says... #1

Hooray! Just make it so that the Noble starts in Exile when playtesting and it would be perfect. The rules in the description are up to date, so just use those and don't worry about our rules speculations for now :)

April 9, 2012 12:56 p.m.

graft says... #2

Unbanned Bloodchief AscensionMTG Card: Bloodchief Ascension, banned MindcrankMTG Card: Mindcrank instead. Just realized that Thalia, Guardian of ThrabenMTG Card: Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is pretty great in this format.

@yeaGO!: If you can hear someone squealing like a schoolgirl, that's me. Hah. It would be amazing if TappedOut was the first site to support this format. I tip my hat to you, good sir.

@OrgasmAndTea: Glad you like it! I do like "Allstar" as the format name, but I think I'll stick with Noble. I like the idea of the continuation of Pauper ==> Peasant ==> Noble. I think that the changes that you suggested (1-of uncommons, noble = allstar, noble must be creature) would certainly be interesting, but probably as a variant of this format. I generally want to avoid adding restrictions because each restriction makes the format a little bit less friendly to new players and creative playstyles. As for allowing a bonus for choosing a rare vs mythic rare, the trouble is that mythic rare is a very recent concept relative to the existing card base. It was introduced in the Alara block, so cards before that would all get the bonus, even though their power level is on the same tier as mythics. Thanks so much for the feedback, it's very appreciated.

@DamenPulse: thanks for the positive feedback and support. I would very much like to see this format succeed as well. It's been suggested (by squire1 and others) that I create a website for the format, which is pretty much the next logical step and should go a long ways towards legitimizing the format. I've already seen a number of folks start putting together "pre-con" decks to use in marketing the format to Wizards, which is amazing.

@elbenji and vishnarg: Empty the WarrensMTG Card: Empty the Warrens is good but slow and therefore vulnerable to sorcery-speed removal. Since the format is still being shaped, here are a number of answers to Empty the Warrens: Bloodfire DwarfMTG Card: Bloodfire Dwarf, Desert SandstormMTG Card: Desert Sandstorm, Dry SpellMTG Card: Dry Spell, Fade AwayMTG Card: Fade Away, Hurly-BurlyMTG Card: Hurly-Burly, Rain of EmbersMTG Card: Rain of Embers, Seismic ShudderMTG Card: Seismic Shudder, ShrivelMTG Card: Shrivel, Stronghold DisciplineMTG Card: Stronghold Discipline, Suture PriestMTG Card: Suture Priest, TremorMTG Card: Tremor. Probably plenty of others too, that's about as far as I looked.

@vishnarg (and keshav): Thanks for contacting yeaGO!! It looks like he has something in store for us...

@aloehart199 and KorApprentice: If Wizards actually prints decks based on our suggestions, can you imagine a reprint of an uncommon like Force of WillMTG Card: Force of Will? Would we be lauded or burned alive a la Harvest PyreMTG Card: Harvest Pyre? Depending on the commons/uncommons, I could see legacy players DROVING to the stores for them.

Continued...

April 9, 2012 2:07 p.m.

graft says... #3

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@elbenji: Invisible StalkerMTG Card: Invisible Stalker is fine I think. Hexproof is great, but he's just a 1/1 and isn't going to win any games without support.

@Ragepyro: vishnarg's response is correct. Rarity is determined by the lowest printed rarity of a card released in a block set. If Noble is ever an official MTGO format, I'm certain that the rule for MTGO will incorporate the MTGO released rarities instead of the printed rarities.

@Minousmancer: Instead of using the format "Pauper" I recommend "Legacy" unless you're running cards banned in legacy that aren't banned here, or "Unformat".

@KorApprentice: Phyrexian DreadnoughtMTG Card: Phyrexian Dreadnought has been added to the ban list. There are a ton of ways to deal with him, but by packing your deck with infinite counterspells like DispelMTG Card: Dispel, Force of WillMTG Card: Force of Will, etc. I just don't see any reasonable way around it.

@Arachnarchist: I considered making the rule that you draw 6 in your opening hand instead of 7, but I decided against it because Wizards has done a good job (in recent history) making mana the limiting resource instead of cards. Also, as far as I know there has never been a format where the opening hand size is reduced. I didn't think the 8th card would be too format-warping, but there are a lot of cards in the old formats that I might have been forgetting about. Eight cards does speed up combo like Pyromancer AscensionMTG Card: Pyromancer Ascension very much. If there is community support for the idea to make the opening hand six cards instead of seven I will consider changing it.

April 9, 2012 2:07 p.m.

KorApprentice says... #4

I do not support lowering the opening hand size at all. It would slightly harm Storm, but greatly harm any other combo. As always, slowing down the game clock only works for some decks, the decks that pull through that handicap will utterly dominate the format.

April 9, 2012 2:14 p.m.

squire1 says... #5

i think the banned list is getting a little too big honestly. Maybe a restricted list for some of these. For example, I don't think Stripmine, Mana DrainMTG Card: Mana Drain or Sol RingMTG Card: Sol Ring should be banned.

April 9, 2012 2:33 p.m.

KorApprentice says... #6

Sol RingMTG Card: Sol Ring most certainly should be banned, it would speed up the game clock for too many decks. As for Mana DrainMTG Card: Mana Drain, that could probably be unbanned since Force of WillMTG Card: Force of Will is legal as well. I believe Strip MineMTG Card: Strip Mine was banned because it would be unfair with Crucible of WorldsMTG Card: Crucible of Worlds as the Noble.

April 9, 2012 2:43 p.m.

yeaGO says... #7

Gonna see about creating an interface for you today. Look for 'admin' link later.

April 9, 2012 2:43 p.m.

tojacamo says... #8

hype

April 9, 2012 2:49 p.m.

squire1 says... #9

April 9, 2012 3:02 p.m.

Minousmancer says... #10

yeaGO! to repeat graft SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

April 9, 2012 3:23 p.m.

Zarum says... #11

April 9, 2012 3:41 p.m.

thejadejedi says... #12

Hey, I love the idea and possible creativity behind this format. I kinda always have liked the longer games but hey, why not if the deck are only ~20 bucks a piece :D

Anyway, here's my first deck in the Nobel format, deck:noble-mycoloth-tokens. It's based around getting tons of tokens out and then sacing them all for the MycolothMTG Card: Mycoloth. I don't think it's gonna be a top deck but it's a pretty fun deck to say the least. I put it up against your Noblesong deck and after a few modifications, seemed to hold it's own, (Even though your deck was gaining crazy amounts of life. lol)

Anyway, check it out and let me know what you think!

April 9, 2012 4:05 p.m.

Demonwalker says... #13

My deck Noble Draw

April 9, 2012 8:30 p.m.

Ohthenoises says... #14

deck:noble-confusion not nice but REALLY fun

April 9, 2012 9:15 p.m.

mandroid says... #15

Throwing my hat into the ring with Noble Gargadon, here:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/greater-gargadon-noble/

Highlights are Ichor Wellspring, critters that like to die/always die, creature theft and Garg from nowhere for 9 to the face. If Garg can get in just once this deck should be able to pull through. Also having an engine which 99% of the metagame can do simply nothing about is nice, should make the deck very consistent. You'll see that I forewent any 1 cmc except Young Wolf since there's Garg first turn always.

Please leave suggeustions and comments, I'm planning on doing a ramp version of this deck too, featuring mycosinth wellspring viridian emissary and other ramp.

April 9, 2012 10:38 p.m.

mandroid says... #16

Oh also if anyone wants to playtest with me I'd love to give my garg a go, I have mtg workstation, we can set something up. I can see it being banned because it's impossible to interact with and therefore very hard to disrupt, partially because its creatures dying doesn't really matter that much. Really though, I think the weaknesses of it make up for it. When someone has an unsummon it's rough.

April 9, 2012 10:43 p.m.

mandroid says... #17

Made a skeleton for Noble Life from the Loam. Please leave feedback and suggestions, I'm in need of good finishers now, and I'll probably just go full-on mana ramp.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/noble-loam/

April 9, 2012 11:21 p.m.

KorApprentice says... #18

Please link your decks by placing the deck slug in double brackets. The deck slug is between the last set of slashes in your deck's URL. For example, your newest Noble deck would look like this; [noble loam]; in double brackets so that it comes out like this; Noble Loam. It makes it easier for us to view your decks and give suggestions.

April 9, 2012 11:26 p.m.

DamenPulse says... #19

@graft I'd love a website. It would be easier to market, and point new players of this format to, and it provides an easier way to provide feedback.

Also, I'd love to help market this to wizards. (Not go to meetings with them and stuff, I've got a pretty busy schedule already). If you need anything, just ask and I will attempt to deliver.

Also, will be bringing this up at my Local Game Store on sunday (the earliest I can go) as a possible different FNM format, or maybe something separate from FNM, like on the weekends.

April 9, 2012 11:34 p.m.

MLBurt says... #20

This is EXTREMELY cool! It's like Commander but so much easier to build for. I just made a Knight of the Reliquary deck (I don't have it uploaded, but I played it against a friend and had a ton of fun) that had some really cool interactions. I have a ton of decks I want to make, now, though I also have a feeling that Swiftfoot Boots will be a popular uncommon choice....

April 9, 2012 11:38 p.m.

KorApprentice says... #21

Lightning GreavesMTG Card: Lightning Greaves will probably be used just as much, though they do have different uses and both are very good :)

April 9, 2012 11:45 p.m.

Ohthenoises says... #22

I like Hedron CrabMTG Card: Hedron Crab in this format... a LOT!

April 9, 2012 11:46 p.m.

MLBurt says... #23

And here it is ... Noble Knight of the Reliquary

April 9, 2012 11:49 p.m.

Minousmancer says... #24

Since my Noble card was banned, I traded it out and renamed the deck:

deck:electric-furnace - Charmbreaker DevilsMTG Card: Charmbreaker Devils - Give the Devils their due.

And made:

deck:noble-power - GriselbrandMTG Card: Griselbrand - Phenomenal Cosmic Power.

deck:jaces-curse - TraumatizeMTG Card: Traumatize - "You should try to clear your mind of idle thoughts. And if you can't, I will."

April 10, 2012 12:51 a.m.

Lectrys says... #25

I read your article on the fledgling Noble format today and I must say it is quite interesting! There are definitely a lot of hidden gems to abuse in that format, especially with a rare or mythic rare as your general. I'm currently attempting to build a Noble deck that abuses the very fast acceleration Chrome MoxMTG Card: Chrome Mox can bring, and I'm trying to figure out how much of a RDW deck you can build in Noble.

However, IMO, there are a ton of Storm engines that may need to get banned in this format. Ad NauseamMTG Card: Ad Nauseam, Pyromancer AscensionMTG Card: Pyromancer Ascension, Yawgmoth's WillMTG Card: Yawgmoth's Will, and Yawgmoth's BargainMTG Card: Yawgmoth's Bargain are already banned, thank goodness, but there are still more Storm engines to go, and at this rate, even GriselbrandMTG Card: Griselbrand may need a ban solely due to his "Draw 7" ability...

...Past in Noble Flames is my case to get Past in FlamesMTG Card: Past in Flames banned. I have found that the deck gets a Turn 4 kill fairly often and occasionally nets a Turn 3 kill. I based it on Modern UR Storm, a deck crippled by bans on PonderMTG Card: Ponder and PreordainMTG Card: Preordain but that still consistently gets Turn 4 kills regardless. I find that the main barrier to UR Past in Flames Storm in Noble is the mana base, though; having access to blue and red mana all the time with better nonbasic lands is awesome in Modern.

In a format that tries to have top-tier decks get Turn 5 kills, I believe Past in FlamesMTG Card: Past in Flames is too fast of a card.

April 10, 2012 2:12 a.m.

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