Your ban list should definitely include tinker.

Hey, i went ahead and gave deck building a shot...what do you guys think.. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/energy-field-noble-format/ i would appreciate any suggestions!

What are the threats that Tinker searches up? All you have at that point are commons, so what would you tutor for?

I'm all for the restricted list myself. Sounds fun to me.

"As for deck composition, I'd like to see something a bit closer to WOTC duel deck style restrictions (4 rares, ~8 uncommons, no more than 2 copies of a card). Limit of 4 uncommons and 1 rare seems a bit low. Allowing 4 copies of a card invites combo decks - which is fine, but not so much in multiplayer. One of the reasons I like EDH is that each game is unique."

This isn't a multiplayer format, it's 2 player. Therefore the format is basically Legacy unless some additional restriction is placed. Personally I think it's fun to see what kind of broken jank I can make out of commons but to each their own MTG format I guess.

"I agree with other commenters that it seems odd to allow non-creature "nobles". Seems like a disadvantage to play a creature noble if you can instead play something silly like Eldrazi Temple, Call to the Grave, Curse of Bloodletting, etc ..."

Hardly - you just have to pick the right ones. Haakon for instance - infinite Nameless Inversions. And that's without uncommons! Goblin Guide is so bonkers it's absurd. he's worth 6-8 himself, before Fireblast and Lightning Bolt are even cast in a game usually! IMO having any rare be the Noble only makes the format more diverse and interesting. There will be broken cards, but that's what the ban list is for.

Hi, I like this format! I believe I have another candidate to be banned. I just built a deck with a turn-one kill rate of 10%, turn-two kill rate of 50%, and turn-three kill rate of 99%. Here's the link:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/noble-fluctuator/

I believe Fluctuator should be banned, even though I love the card.

Hey everyone, thanks for your overwhelming support for the format. I had some stuff come up yesterday and I had no time to check TappedOut. I had to purge a bunch of old comments since we broke the post with too many comments! I'm compiling all of the decklists that people have posted, then I'm going to do an update to purge all of the comments and start fresh. Before that I will read through all of your comments and find responses for everything.

just to ask, how do you get Haakon, Stromgald Scourge out? like i agree with everything you say but i see a problem with playing him and I'm curious how you would do that, i personally would want to play him in a deck so tips to playing him would be helpful

Well, someone was talking about having a ruling where you can choose which zone the Noble zone mimics, and therefore you'd be able to use Haakon because you'd be able to play him by naming the Noble zone Graveyard. I dunno if that's an official ruling or anything - it may take too much rules modification to make Haakon usable. If making Haakon usable would seriously bend the rules then he should probably just be left as-is: making the Noble zone act like other zones can really push stuff like Loam over the top.

Anyone feel like putting the rules in a decent looking PDF? I'd like to print it up and take it to my local shop to generate some interest.

Also, Graft, you might want to flag your own deck as 'Noble' instead of 'Legacy'

To Conphas: We'll wait for graft. He wanted to tie the rules together and if he does, I'll make a cool *.PDF. graft and me are working on a site, too to have informations more compact.

Thanks Crivaro. In the meantime I'll just link them to this thread and explain it verbally. Some of the guys in the shop are notoriously low-tech. Limits the net-decks at least.

Countertop Noble. Still needs 5 slots, and I'm thinking about dropping the signets, so maybe 9 slots. If anyone has experience with this archetype please leave feedback about it, as I've never been good at playing counter-top decks. Just trying to establish a couple more tier 1 decks that aren't out and out broken.

deck:over-the-top-noble-15-1 is my attempt for the same topic. Maybe we'll get one working.

Still would like some help on my LAND NOBLE

10,000 forests and a Lost in the Woods. Has anyone else tried this yet?

I think a very land-heavy deck might be fun with something like Manabond as the Noble. I'm going to try it out.

Chamale: The problem is getting to 5 mana. That deck would simply get crushed by my Delver deck, as the countermagic would stop you from ever getting LITW onto the battlefield. Also storm consistently is faster, and doesn't care at all about the enchantment unless they're trying for a Warrens kill. Other than that I think it might stand a good chance against aggressive decks which don't feature burn: you'd lock them out before they could punch through damage. But if they have burn it's just GG.

Delver Noble. Plays pretty much exactly like the standard version, and Sword of feast and famine is the Noble. Teetering on going for Sword of fire and ice, but I think the F&F is better against control and storm, and this deck is strong against other aggressive decks, which F&I is better against.

@Chamale:

If you want a good starting place for power land decks, you can check out my Noble decks:

Limited Resources Noble & Noble Loam

LR is geared at locking out an opponent's lands, while Loam is geared towards dumping stuff into the yard and flashing it back, while still using Loam and the cycling lands as a card advantage engine. The kill conditions all involve lands: recurring Ancestor's Chosen with Haunted Fengraf or Barbarian Ringing every turn. Also it can lock out control & combo fairly easily with Wasteland and Raven's Crime. I fully expect it to be a teir 1 deck, unless the meta is such that many people main yard hate.

Yea!!!!!!!!!!! I can read 'all' the comments again!

Yea!!!!!!!!!!! I can read 'all' the comments again!

Decks!

More decks!

Okay, I purged all of the old comments so that our browsers don't give up on rendering the page anymore. Sorry for the lack of context to these replies. Please read the rules and FAQ above before posting!

@KorApprentice: We'll keep the 7-card starting hand size then. In addition to my previous reason for this (mana should be the limiting factor, not cards), starting with a 6-card hand makes for difficult mulligans because almost no one would be willing to use a land as their Noble.

@squire1 : You're right, Mana Drain doesn't need to be banned. I've removed it from the banned list. Like Kor said previously Sol Ring provides too ridiculous acceleration and opens up turn 1 winds. Strip Mine was banned because it would be nearly impossible to deal with if Crucible of Worlds was the Noble, but I would reconsider if there is a counter-strategy that I've overlooked. What does everyone think of unbanning Time Walk? Is it too easy to abuse with cards like Mystic Retrieval, Izzet Chronarch, Izzet Guildmage, Mnemonic Wall, etc? Or should it be un-banned too?

@DamenPulse: I'm definitely creating a website. Crivaro has already created some awesome graphics for the site. Either me or squire1 should be able to code it up fairly quickly. Just looking for a good web host right now. I'll keep you in mind if I have anything that we need help with. Thanks for taking this to your local store, let us know how it goes!

@Lectrys: Since Chrome Mox is a rare it's a bit less useful than it is in other formats, but if you think of a deck that can completely abuse it to win before turn 5, please let me know. For Griselbrand I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. Since he costs 7 it would take a ton of Dark Rituals and Cabal Rituals to dump him early, but I can see him being broken.

As good as Past in Flames is, I'm starting to wonder if I should ban cards like Lotus Petal and Rite of Flame instead. That way, Past in Flames can stick around and I might be able to unban some other cards like Pyromancer Ascension and Pyromancer's Swath. Thoughts?

As for red burn cards being too fast, they aren't operating in a vacuum and there are plenty of ways to stabilize against RDW-types, even with commons. Until this format is stabilized a bit I think I have to leave RDW alone, though I recognize its strength.

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@mandroid: I don't like the idea of treating the Noble card as if it were in your hand. Mainly, my reasoning is that targeted discard, especially 1 CMC discard (Thoughtseize, Despise, Inquisition of Kozilek, Duress, etc) would become far too overpowered. With Thoughtseize in particular, paying 2 life to rip your opponent's plans to shreds is unfair.

Blazing Shoal is good but is it really over-the-top? Just about every color has counter-strategies to it. Seal of Fire is particularly brutal against this deck. On the other hand, the deck just sucks to play against and I don't think it would be missed. Thoughts?

@Crivaro: Thanks to squire1 and yeaGO! for their support and for making Noble a selectable format! These guys rock! yeaGO! gave me permissions to edit the format, so I'll get the banned list in place ASAP.

I like the ability to be able to play your Noble card from the Command Zone as if it were in your hand. I already had a suspend-specific ruling, but I think a broader rule makes sense. I am going to re-write that rule to allow your Noble to be played as if it were in your hand (but discard can't target it). I don't like the ability for the player to choose where their Noble starts -- it opens up too many insane graveyard strategies (Retrace, Dredge), and I'd have to write rules about which zone it is allowed to start in (not in play, for example). Overall it is a good idea, but I think it's one that should be left out of the official ruling. If casual players agree to do this, I have no problem with that.

@blink: Good call on Glimpse of Nature. It is now banned.

@TristanTaylorsVoice: "This is a really cool idea, especially for new players to get started. They can take their rare and their new pile of cards and make something meaningful out of it. I appreciate someone making a cool format for casual play when people can't afford commander decks or just started." -- This was exactly what I intended from the format. Thanks for the recognition!

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@rrmaclac: Regarding the restriction of 1 rare/4 uncommons, it's to restrict power level and foster creativity, as well as to sharply limit the cost of any given deck. Upping the number of allowed rares/uncommons can certainly be fun for some players, but if you've been following the conversation in this thread you can see that many cards have already been "broken" allowing wins in turns 1-3. Allowing any number more of rares/uncommons would likely cause many more cards to need to be banned for power level reasons.

The choice to allow any kind of card to be the noble card is to avoid unnecessary restrictions and foster more creative strategies.

@l0ki: I personally wanted to avoid having both a restricted list and a banned list to avoid unnecessary confusion, particularly amongst new players. However if the community agrees with creating a separate restricted list I would certainly change the rule. Thoughts?

I banned the moxes because of the free acceleration they provide, worried that storm decks and many combo decks would abuse them too easily. Is this the wrong call?

I agree to remove Worldgorger Dragon from the banned list. It's legal now.

@theonyc: Unfortunately Haakon, Stromgald Scourge is currently unplayable in this format. Sorry!

@Conphas: Great idea to make a rules PDF! We'll start working on one after the rules and bannings have settled down a bit.

@Minousmancer: I don't think anyone who just got here is going to read all 300+ comments , so I don't think they'll be missed too terribly much. I've tried to address issues in the rules, and I'm updating the FAQ a bit.... man, after all of those comments I need a beer! Thanks again everyone, you are great!

Missed my deck on the list: deck:noble-confusion

You are welcome, i was thinking by the way about the Pili-Pala and Training Grounds Combo, all you do is give pilla palla something like Hermetic Study and, um, win lol. Pretty over powered, I'll build a deck to show.