It just doesn't seem bannable. Those are annoying but we're talking turn 5 and beyond... remember in Noble turn 3 is a ban.

@ Virlym: Thank you very much for pointing this out, I agree that we should make a special ruling for Arena or any similar cards that may be released in the future. My gut instinct is to make a general ruling to equate Special-only rarity to be equivalent to Rares. I feel this way because any card can be printed as a Special rarity, and I don't want Special to supercede the other rarities. In other words, I don't want there to be confusion about how many copies of Ajani Vengeant can be included because he was printed once at Special rarity.

Thoughts?

Well, 'Special' is a special thing. Usually a card istn't only printed only as special. I'd use the normal rarity for Ajani, since he is printed in other editions (and always would use the Noble-Slot). For Arena I'd use a Noble-Slot, too. Means: Treat it like Rare/Mythic. Or set the Rule:

"If a card has no printed rarity (means: Common/Uncommon/Rare/Mythic) it may not be used. Cards that have a special rarity may be used as a Proxy as long it is in the place the other card would fill. (means, a Special-Rarity Ajani would use the slot of a rare/mythic. An Arena however is not printed in other editions and so has no rarity except special. It may not be used.)".

Thoughts?

I think grafts idea made more sense Crivaro. We could just stick the the basic all are rare/mythic, because otherwise it may not be fair. It makes sense but its overly complicated.

Ok, keep it simple, I can understand this. I just wanted to make some more suggestions =)

Well no problem, always could use more ideas for noble

a broken card that i find might be problem card:Sensei's Divining Top

Actually, the Top was never a problem yet. I don't think it is THAT broken. Can you give an example why you think it is that good in this format that it needs a banning or something? =)

Btw, I created a deck a while ago with CounterTop. Look here: deck:over-the-top-noble-15-1. It was good, but not as broken as one might think :D

I made 2 decent noble decks : The Exalted Noble, and Izzet Noble Enough?

i made a noble deck just to make one. here it is deck:copy-noble. the name has nothing to do with the deck. what do you think

Hey all, sorry I haven't replied in quite a while. Also extremely upset with myself for letting the site go on for so long in such a basic form. Anyways, the reason is that I had finals, then I had to move out of college and into a house, which we had to clean top to bottom because the previous tenants left it a mess. Then I had a job fall into my lap in Texas of all places for three weeks, which I'm just finishing up now. I have been working 10+ hour days almost every day, it's been exhausting. It's finally been slowing down a bit and I've gotten a chance to set up dropbox and fill it full of my files, so that's great, and I plan on working on the site tonight. I'm going to take all of these links that graft posted for decklists and post them on the site, as well as starting on the new site styling. Hopefully it will be a little more filled out soon. Dev team, if you're still looking at this thread, please reply with a dossier about yourself so I can add that too. I will also reply to our email thread.

Good luck everyone and have fun with Noble.

What if the "Noble" is a miracle card? Will you have to hardcast it or can you pay its miracle cost?

Well... take this example: Reforge the Soul - "You may cast this card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn." Since you normally would not draw your noble-card, you can't trigger it's miracle-cost (but you can cast it for its normal costs, of cause). If you lay it on the top of your library somehow (maybe from your graveyard), you can draw in it and therefore use its miracle-costs.

here's my noble deck noble tyranny

ah.. i'm completely new to tapped out, which i found amazing as a referance for to what decks some cards lead (duh) and just wondered, what all these formats are all about (so what i need to check when posting a deck), so this is how i stumbled upon this 'thread'.

I wouldn't quite make comprehensive rules for something like the nobel format, but just make it budget. Considering you got this link (nice feature btw) to CoolStuffs price list, this would be extremely lucid. Something like between 20 up to 25$. No matter what the emphasize of the deck is.

If a card is printed at mythic for a FTV is it mythic (see:Berserk )

It is it's lowest rarity in all of it's printings. Berserk was also printed in Alpha, Beta, Unlimited, and Masters. In Alpha, Beta, and Unlimited it was printed as an uncommon. So it is considered an uncommon for deck building purposes.

moment please! is a turn 2 too fast of a win? infectious noble is a sickly deck that has a bad habit of winning on turn two. :) check the deck out and it is very fun to play!

I'd like to re-state, Entomb needs serious ban hammer attention if the format is to be a supported format. otherwise you open competitive play to using the following deck

Noble Death

If you can find a way to stop this deck from a guaranteed win then consider how much trouble and how many decks have the capability of preventing it. Entomb is an awesome card I wish we still had in standard, but the card is just ridiculously powerful and Forcing players to play graveyard hate to have any chance of winning is just bad for the health of the format

Being a rare, Entomb doesn't pose that much of a threat. You can get around it in other ways besides graveyard hate. If they play it early you can still kill or exile the creature they bring back. If they play it later, you can use a Counterspell -like card. With it taking up the rare spot, there aren't too many broken creatures that you can fetch anyways. It seems to be just fine for most cases. If someone isn't playing removal, counterspells, or graveyard hate, then that's their problem. You can fit at least one of those in any deck without hindering the deck all that much (sometimes it's actually beneficial to have some creature removal in a deck).

It is a good card, I'll give you that, but it isn't broken in the format. There are plenty of ways around it. And if that's the sole point of the deck, then it seems like you basically lose if someone has a way around it.

Hey all, sorry for being incognito for so long. Life has been keeping me busy.

Adam Styborski over at Daily MTG is calling for examples of lesser-known formats so that he can publicize them. You can read the article here. If you have a favorite Noble deck (either yours or someone else's), send it to him in an email using the "Respond Via Email" link at the bottom of the article, and explain why you like Noble. I've already sent him one email, but I'm sure if you guys send a few he'll be more likely to include it in his upcoming article. One catch, he needs your submissions by midnight on August 15th. That's right around the corner! Get to it!

Thanks squire1 for pointing this out to me!

Noble was featured on Adam Styborski's column on Daily MTG today: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/sf/210

My thanks to MLBurt, who gave an excellent description of Noble and his Noble Knight of the Reliquary deck was featured. Also thanks to Virlym, whose Noble Boros Armor deck was also featured. Congrats guys! Thanks to everyone else who sent in a submission, even if I'm not sure who you are :D

If you would like Adam to take a deeper look at Noble in the future, send him an email through the link at the bottom of the article.

Kickass! :D Note, that he wrote: "In fact, I received several different responses all sharing that playing Noble is a noble idea indeed! Of all the pitches I read, converting Commander and Pauper into a slick way to have your go-to card is something that lit up my radar. If you agree, let me know and I'll make a plan to revisit it someday."

The last sentence should be the thing we should try. Revisiting this format is the 2nd step to get this supported! Great work guys, thanks!

Any format where mill is viable I consider to be healthy. Good job graft!