Introducing Noble: the Format

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Virlym says... #1

Thanks graft. The Noble Boros Armor deck I submitted was just a funny Boros deck I made for my friend because he didn't have a noble deck, but he wanted one. He liked Boros and equipment, so I just threw that together for him. I thought it was amusing enough to merit using as an example. Apparently that was a good idea. :)

August 28, 2012 6 p.m.

RogueArtificer says... #2

Just made my first Noble deck. Tezzeret's a Jerk (Noble) Looking for some feedback since I'm sure that there's something I overlooked, besides a sideboard.

Thanks in advance.

August 31, 2012 3:38 a.m.

Shavnir says... #3

This format looks interesting but the urge to break a beautiful thing in front of me was just too great.

Fine gentlemen and ladies of the comments section, I present to you a case for Goblin Charbelcher to be banned, Noble Belch

September 1, 2012 1:55 p.m.

courtsjester says... #4

As a dedicated combo player, it pains me to agree about Goblin Charbelcher being banned. Another deck showing the power of a Noble 1 land Belcher Port:

Not-So-Noble Belcher

September 1, 2012 11:48 p.m.

Shavnir says... #5

Please look at courtsjester's list instead of mine, I forgot that Street Wraith was uncommon and have too many uncommons in my list. How embarrassing! :(

September 2, 2012 12:10 p.m.

mandroid says... #6

Great to see people still here commenting. Everyone should go have a peek at the website: noblemtg.com. I've been working on updating it and it looks pretty good at this point. Look for more updates in the future.

September 3, 2012 3:38 a.m.

mandroid says... #7

Also it is my opinion that Lotus Petal should be banned. It has appeared as a four-of in almost every decklist which has resulted in another card being banned. It's showing up as a four-of even in non-combo decks to speed their clock up. In general, any time a card is that prolific it tends to stifle format development (think Skullclamp - when it was released you either played it or played a deck designed to beat it: there were no other options). Any other takes?

September 4, 2012 11:54 a.m.

courtsjester says... #8

I have mixed feelings about Lotus Petal but I am currently working on a list to show the power of card:Lion's Eye Diamond which is another rare I feel should be banned. Also, the power of Palinchron I feel is overwhelming when combined with High Tide . This is a rough high tide list i drafted up a few days ago that is capable of going infinite on turn 3.

Noble High Tide

September 4, 2012 6:41 p.m.

mandroid says... #9

Hey all, I just enabled the forums on the site. If people are interested in contributing discussions to the ban list, I feel like that would be more conductive to actually having conversations about particular cards because here it's just one long thread. There are only a smattering of sections up right now but I'm working on getting everything finalised. Next update to the site will involve hopefully styling the forums, and updating the rules page to reflect the latest version.

http://noblemtg.com/forum

September 7, 2012 1:17 a.m.

mandroid says... #10

Also, just because a deck is capable of going infinite on turn 3 doesn't necessarily mean that a ban is warranted. It's those which go off on turn 3 an exceptional amount of the time. Not sure what exactly the threshold is, but there was one established a while back. Think it was something like > 50% of the time. Can anyone confirm?

September 7, 2012 1:21 a.m.

rckclimber777 says... #11

My first attempt at a noble deck. It focuses on Burn and uses the ever powerful Kiln Fiend along with the annoying Delver of Secrets  Flip and perhaps the most powerful burn spell of all time Bonfire of the Damned . The deck is Kiln Noble

September 10, 2012 8:33 p.m.

Ohthenoises says... #12

Most powerful? Pshhhh Comet Storm man... Comet Storm

September 10, 2012 8:35 p.m.

theonyc says... #13

rckclimber, you do know you don't draw bonfire right? your gonna have to hard cast it, meaning 5 mana is 2 damage

September 10, 2012 8:55 p.m.

rckclimber777 says... #14

Unmiracled Bonfire is RXX

Pay for 3 - deals 1 damage to target player and each creature they control

Pay for 5 - deals 2 damage to target player and each creature they control

Pay for 7 - deals 3 damage to target player and each creature they control

Comet storm is XRR (multikicker for 1)

Pay for 3 - deals 1 damage to target player or target creature

Pay for 4 - deals 1 damage to 2 target creatures/players or deals 2 damage to 1 creature/player

Pay for 5 - deals 3 damage to 1 creature/player or 2 damage to 2 target creature/player or 1 damage to 3 target creatures/players

Pay for 7 - deals 5 damage to one c/p, or 4 damage to 2x c/p, or 3 damage to 3x c/p, or 2 damage to 4x c/p, or 1 damage to 5x c/p

If you have mutiple targets then bonfire is pretty much always going to be better than comet storm. If you only have one target then technically Fireball is better than both of them. Yes the differences will get different longer down the road, but if you're still playing the game in a burn deck when you have more than 7 mana, then you're probably going to lose anyway. (granted a board wipe via bonfire is gonna be more advantageous in that situation too)

If it was me I'd want bonfire hands down over comet storm. Every time. The multikicker will add up quick with targets. Not to mention that comet storm still costs one more R than Bonfire. I did say "perhaps" the best as it would require more conversation, but I think a strong case could be made.

September 10, 2012 8:56 p.m.

Ohthenoises says... #15

Mayhave been done but deck:noble-crawler lol

September 14, 2012 11:01 p.m.

theonyc says... #16

someone should make an article where people vote for the strongest deck (i would but have no clue how to make a article)

September 15, 2012 10:39 p.m.

theonyc says... #17

just to say, i think Sinkhole , it uses 2 mana to destroy a land, at common rarity. thats op in noble

October 4, 2012 8:57 p.m.

Frazzify says... #18

I've been brewing up some pretty cool Noble decks. Check 'em out:

All-In Noble

Crater-Smash Noble

October 25, 2012 10:54 p.m.

theonyc says... #19

isn't noble dead?

October 25, 2012 10:56 p.m.

graft says... #20

I've personally been lazy, but no, it isn't dead.

October 26, 2012 7:22 a.m.

theonyc says... #21

for the leylines does the noble zone count as the hand? trying to give advise to tree farmers, deck:i-dare-you-to-hit-me

October 29, 2012 4:36 p.m.

theonyc says... #22

also merlira should probably be banned, turn 3 infinite life with turn 4 victory is to easy

October 29, 2012 4:37 p.m.

courtsjester says... #23

Melira can be disrupted pretty easily, even on a budget. I would look at some of the legacy combo decks to find the really degenerate combos that should be banned. Like the belcher list I put together. It has about a 70% turn 1 win rate with no mulligan.

October 31, 2012 12:53 a.m.

miracleHat says... #24

hello hello hello! is anybody there, this used to alive with activity, now it is in one of the biggest coma like state ever! ANSWER ME PLEASE!

November 26, 2012 8:43 p.m.

graft says... #25

What can I do for you?

Also, sorry that I've been lazy about ban ideas and things. Folks who want to help build up the community -- check out http://noblemtg.com. mandroid and Crivaro have done a great job with it, and I've been planning out some inaugural articles for it if I can ever find the time.

November 27, 2012 8:36 a.m.

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