vedalkin_mastermind says... #2
Also maybe think about Telling Time great card for setting your turn up at the end of their turn.
August 23, 2014 1:25 p.m.
Jamesfurrow says... #3
vedalkin_mastermind thanks for the plus one and the reason why i do not use Telling Time is because it is a two drop that forces a card to my hand the bottom and the top while Serum Visions can let me choose what stays on top or the bottom whike i draw something. And idk bout Vexing Devil (have a playset) but hes not a tempo card but aggro and idk why simmon? I dont know what would he do for the deck
August 23, 2014 1:35 p.m.
vedalkin_mastermind says... #4
Simian Spirit Guide basically jst allows you to be faster or allow you to drop cards like Serum Visions on turn 2 while still allowing you to the mana to counter on their turn. Jst a thought really. Plus i hate +1ing without leaving some kind if comment. Lol. Also Vexing Devil jst kind of fits with your burn plan. If you are running into alot of creature decks Vapor Snag could be a great addition to you sb also helping with the burn plan. Please check out EON (playtest and comment) as i could really use the help with my sb.
August 23, 2014 1:45 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #5
Vexing Devil isn't a good card. The main reason is that he is always something you don't want him to be. If you want damage he is a creature that gets removed. If you want a creature it turns to damage that does only a little dent. He is also easy to remove, being at 3 toughness at all. If he was like, a 3/4, he would be much more powerful. People seem to like him because they think 4 damage either way, but at too many times your opponent makes a choice in which that 4 damage doesn't matter as much as what you would have wanted.
August 23, 2014 3:42 p.m.
vedalkin_mastermind says... #6
Not true at all! First of all 4 damage is more than a dent seeing as its 1/5 or your total life total. Now add in the ability to counter the removal spell your opponent is banking on playing after choosing not to take the damage when Vexing Devil
comes in to play and you have quite the formidable force. You have just slowed them down a turn by making them try to remove your creature instead of playing their deck the way they want to. Now lets say the dont take the damage because they know they can play a chump blocker. You have the option of countering it or removing it. I would suggest using Vapor Snag
over one of your burn spells to handle such a scenario. As it helps with the overall burn concept without waisting a burn spell that would do more good focused at your opponents life total. With your horrible thought of Vexing Devil
only putting a "dent" in the life total of your opponent you would have to put Lightning Bolt
in that same category. Which would be incorrect! There is a reason Vexing Devil
is a $7 card and its definitely not because its a bad card. I would also like to add that i suggested Telling Time
because even tho it is one more mana than Serum Visions
its well worth it. First of all you dont "draw" the card you simply put it in your hand. Second you actually get to see 3 cards and choose one to put in your hand rather than hope you are top decking something you want with Serum Visions
. Now i would agree that Telling Time
may not fit in this deck it has many advantages over Serum Visions
. On the flip side i am well aware of the opposite advantages of Serum Visions
over Telling Time
. Now back to your obserd thought about Vexing Devil
. If your opponent is playing a deck in which he/she has the ability to remove Vexing Devil
with a burn spell (seeing as you think his toughness is not enough) you should be thankful he/she waisted that spell on your creature and not your life. That is a good trade. Your one drop getting rid of one potential win condition from your opponents hand and deck. Because everyone knows that 3 damage is no "dent" to your life total. Its the difference between winning and losing! Vexing Devil
is a phenomenal card because it makes your opponent choose one of many scenarios to get rid of it allowing for the wrong decision to be made. Especially when you add Vexing Devil
to a tempo deck like this one.
August 23, 2014 4:22 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #7
Dude, there is an article as to exactly why you shouldn't be playing Vexing Devil on the wizards article database. YOU DO NOT GIVE YOUR OPPONENTS A CHOICE. They will ALWAYS choose the choice that is the worst for you.
And as for Telling Time vs Serum Visions , there is a reason Serum Visions is a $6 common and Telling Time is only a .50cent uncommon. The ability to play it on your first turn is astronomical, and even double the fact that you can still use it and leave mana open for a turn two counterspell or removal play. You can't do that with Telling Time . I also want to mention that the two essentially do the same thing, they dig 3 cards into your deck. Another reason why Serum Visions is better than Telling Time is because of both of those scry cards are useful, you can keep them both. And if they both suck, you can put both to the bottom of your library. It has a tonne more versatility than Telling Time does, and provides a lot more potential for Delver of Secrets Flip because you are truly digging three into your deck, not pseudo-digging with Telling Time .
August 23, 2014 4:42 p.m.
vedalkin_mastermind says... #8
My point is that when you play Vexing Devil in a tempo deck like this there is no worst for you choice. Because you want them to make that choice. Thats why its great in tempo decks. Your opponent is so conditioned to seeing it in aggro they automatically assume they know what to do with it. Thats jst simply not the case when you add in the ability to counter whatever answer they think they may have. The article on wizards is basically for aggro decks not tempo counter decks. So please if you are going to quote wizards get your shit straight.
August 23, 2014 4:58 p.m.
vedalkin_mastermind says... #9
As for Telling Time i was very clear that it did not belong in this deck and that i was jst commenting as a compliment to my +1 of this deck. Also very clear that i already know the advantages of Serum Visions over Telling Time . So thanks for the redundancy. Please read the comments before adding your 2 cents. At least now after your incredibly ignorant view of Vexing Devil we now know tour 2 cents are worth jst that. $0.02 guess its true that you get what you pay for.
August 23, 2014 5:12 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #10
Your own fault for not knowing how to split your comment into paragraphs. Nobody wants to read a wall of text.
August 23, 2014 6:52 p.m.
Jamesfurrow says... #11
Femme_Fatale i agree that devil does not work for my deck and it will not be placed in this deck because it loses synergy with my other cards. Butttttttt that does not mean devil does not have his place in magic and can be a very abused card if used correctly and i know how to but hes not ment for tempo.
vendilkin_mastermind now Vexing Devil is a card dont get me wrong but hes not as powerful as you say. The way to use devil is by flooding the feild with him. If you play inly one its a wasted counter or sac because they will have an established feild or their simply a lifegain deck and domt care. If they have to see 3 of them then its like "well s***" because how do you stop that kind of wall (unless using wrath or been holding onto 3 boltts for this reason) and you dont wanna lose 12 life either
The reason he will no be in this deck is due to he does not synergize with my spells like delver, pyro, and snappy, now snappy does 2 jobs reuse soells and feeds my pyro. The devil only goes to graveyard.
I apologize this is so long but now please stop argueing about Vexing Devil he is 7 dollars but its only because hes in a lot of red deck wins and can only really be effective when you flood 2-3 on the feild in the same turn
August 23, 2014 8:33 p.m.
vedalkin_mastermind says... #12
Ok. But not true. My deckEON (playtest and comment) is a testament to that very point. I only need one to hit you to make the impact i need.
August 23, 2014 8:46 p.m.
Jamesfurrow says... #13
Ved id always let him stay then kill him through either bolt or my creatures and block them and to give me spells to counter yours would be problematic. Because my library is now being accelerated. Just saying that because a tempo will have counters for your counters
August 23, 2014 8:57 p.m.
vedalkin_mastermind says... #14
I do agree with that however my tempo deck begs you to hold on to your counters. Then punishes you for doing just that. If you havnt playtested my deck yet i urge you to try it out. It really is unique in the fact that its a tempo deck that plays like an aggro deck.
August 23, 2014 9:15 p.m.
vedalkin_mastermind says... #15
Out of all the decks you have listed for your local fnm 8rack is the only deck my deck has trouble beating.
August 23, 2014 9:17 p.m.
Jamesfurrow says... #18
HydraOoze don't be a troll I take this deck seriously and no he could not be good because I lose synergy with the deck if I replace anything for him. He doesn't compliment anything I have in the deck. And also he never be used as desired even if both cases can work to my benefit I mic rather have the creatures I'm using than him
August 24, 2014 6:26 p.m.
vedalkin_mastermind says... #19
Bahaha lmfao. Sry cudnt help but smile and laugh at that.
August 24, 2014 7:09 p.m.
BigDaddyPoohBear says... #20
I'm trying to test a deck and I'll link it when its done, but maybe monastery swiftspear and stormchaser mage? (I am a modern noob, please dun h8)
January 18, 2016 9:32 a.m.
my suggestion would be to take out the swords for blood moon main board,you could take out all four magma jet for two burst lightning and two remand. i would take out a remand for a third blood moon. i have a decklist if u would like to see, it might give you some ideas.
February 22, 2016 9:14 a.m.
Jamesfurrow says... #22
justme this deck is over 2 years old and hasn't been updated. I do not play delver since delver is just horrible. It never is efficient long enough to keep consistently out tempoing
vedalkin_mastermind says... #1
Maybe think about using Simian Spirit Guide and Vexing Devil . Check out my deck EON (playtest and comment) its a fun lil izzet deck. +1
August 23, 2014 1:22 p.m.