Jarad graveyard hate

Commander / EDH* jco

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jco says... #1

Early thoughts:

The idea right now is that it has some mana dorks, some mana rocks, and a tiny bit of stax hate. Lots of tutors. A decent number of sac things.

The main "win con" is "swing to the face" or a bunch of stuff around mikaeus... I'm sort of not sure of mikaeus is worth it, at least, not so much. It might be worth keeping him in with triskelion and woodfall primus just to have a combo win con, but not have too much more support.

That said, I'm not quite sure how ita) maintains control of the boardb) keeps other decks from winningc) actually wins

I think it does the above in varying degrees, but it's all over the place. It needs to focus a bit.

Another question is when to rely on creatures to do things, versus having cards that do it... I definitely need some redundancy, though not too much. Creatures are preferable because they can be sacced, of course, but I don't wanna get locked by a stax deck or whatever.

As far as b, I guess it's by removing stuff on the board? In our meta I think that killing creatures a lot might be enough, but I dunno.

For c, that's where the combo comes in... I like having a combo option, though I'd love it if there was another creature besides mikaeus who combo'd with them.

I am not crazy about the sac outlets, though maybe I shouldn't be thinking as a combo player, but rather just as"it'll be good to be able to play whatever I want, recur things, etc." If that's the case, though, than I am going to need good board control.

I like having the dorks and the green draw creatures so that I have blockers, draw in a pinch, and creatures to sacrifice. Of course, they're not black, but I think being able to gain life may actually be relevant.

February 7, 2017 11:50 a.m.

jco says... #2

Actually because of Melira, it does have two... so I'm ok with that.

February 7, 2017 3:20 p.m.

jco says... #3

Cards to seriously consider:

  • candelabra (if it's not a horrible pile)

  • innocent blood?

Sac outlets!

  • doomgape?!

  • feed the pack (lol)

Likely to include

  • life's legacy

  • Carnage altar

  • catacomb sifter (this one seems pretty great)

  • disciple of bolas

  • footsteps of the goryo

February 8, 2017 11:40 p.m.

jco says... #4

More random stuff to consider

  • malevolent awakening

  • mazirek (though does this have negative synergy with the combo??)

  • morbid curiosity (though would I want to??)

  • Ob Nixilis, Unshackled (seems very funny, but I have no clue when this would come out)

February 8, 2017 11:48 p.m.

jco says... #5

Really need to think about the curve of the deck

February 8, 2017 11:56 p.m.

jco says... #6

The keys will be: ramp, stax, combo protection. The rest is the general control/speed/etc

February 9, 2017 12:02 a.m.

jco says... #7

Thoughts:

many of the artifacts aren't pulling their weight

I think the "sac to draw" aren't good enough, given the rest of the draw

need to think of the specific combos that win

need to think about the progression for things like breeding pool

I don't think I need more sac than I have... get rid of a bit of the sac draws

do need to make sure I have ways to sac creatures but I think that will come

February 9, 2017 12:33 a.m.

jco says... #8

Consider the tutor on a stick (since he can be reanimated)

February 9, 2017 4:16 p.m.

jco says... #9

Questions at this point

  • does imperial seal make sense?

  • more sac outlets with mikeaus/woodfall primus?

February 10, 2017 10:58 a.m.

jco says... #10

ughhh I forgot entomb!!!

February 15, 2017 11:02 p.m.

jco says... #11

It really should strongly consider pernicious deed

February 18, 2017 8:10 p.m.

jco says... #12

Abrupt decay for sure

Maybe more land? At least one more

And what's the thing they liked more than bloom tender?

February 18, 2017 11:56 p.m.

jco says... #13

Though hm a lot of the bad hate is more than 3 hmmm

February 18, 2017 11:58 p.m.

jco says... #14

Esp with so little lands, canal coffers is really risky if i don't have urborg, hmm...

February 19, 2017 12:18 a.m.

jco says... #15

Also: consider removing the stax package. I think it slows me down too much and I don't know how much I get.

February 19, 2017 12:20 a.m.

jco says... #16

Stax is out

Gilded lotus is in

32 lands

February 19, 2017 12:22 a.m.

jco says... #17

Joraga treespeaker instead of bloom tender potentially? I'm meh on that though

February 19, 2017 12:27 a.m.

jco says... #18

Keep defense grid for now though

February 19, 2017 12:30 a.m.

jco says... #19

I don't know that I love crop rotation... will take it out and see how much I wish I had it

February 19, 2017 12:41 a.m.

jco says... #20

OUT

trinisphere, cabal coffers, sphere of resistance, winter orb, thorn of amethyst

IN

swamp, forest, gilded lotus, pernicious deed, golgari signet

February 19, 2017 1:25 a.m.

jco says... #21

Massacre wurm seems v good

Also I need some stand alone creatures that can control the board

February 26, 2017 2:12 a.m.

jco says... #22

Duplicant as removal?

Also, make sure rune scarred is in here

February 26, 2017 3:08 a.m.

jco says... #23

OUT

  • elvish visionary
  • footsteps of the goryo

IN

  • massacre wurm
  • abrupt decay
March 2, 2017 12:04 p.m.

jco says... #24

Protean Hulk+Walking ballista... protean hulk can get phyrexian devourer and walking ballista. Sac with jarad.

April 24, 2017 5:14 p.m.

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