@miracleHat thanks for the comment! The reason im not running doubling season is because it can be counterproductive with how im combo ing more often than not, say with Kitchen Finks, Geralf's Messenger, Woodfall Primus. Athough it is great with ghave himself, i felt there was too much potential risk. Wurmcoil is here for infinite Nim Deathmantle shenanigans.
I like greed a lot, i could potentially draw my whole library with it.
June 6, 2017 9:19 a.m.
GhostChieftain says... #3
Ghave lends himself to combos that make inf saprolings or inf large ghave that you are ignoring so you can use your other combos. Such combos involve things like Doubling Season, Hardened Scales, Anointed Procession, Parallel Lives, or Cathars' Crusade and Ashnod's Altar or Phyrexian Altar. Your finks and your mikaeus are about the only things actually averse to doubling season and I would honestly get rid of both anyways. If you really want to use the mikaeus combos I would suggest using karador to more easily use your combo. It just seems as though your gameplan and your commander clash a little bit as opposed to synergizing.
December 13, 2017 2:59 p.m.
Thanks for the input. Ill say again like I did in the comment right above yours, that doubling season/hardened scales are counter productive here with geralfs messenger, woodfall primus as well. Parallel lives/anointed procession could be good though!
December 13, 2017 3:12 p.m.
GhostChieftain says... #5
How often do you have the ability to put geralfs messenger or woodfall primus on the battlefield compared to how often you can have ghave? Commander combos will be easier to do than other combos because you always have access to the commander. By playing ghave as the commander and not playing to his strengths you are crippling yourself. Switching to Karador, Ghost Chieftain gives you better access to cards in your graveyard and in doing so protects the combos that you are currently using, plus late game he almost always only ever costs WBG.
I hope I haven't offended you by any means, I just want to give my honest opinion to help you as best as I can.
December 13, 2017 3:25 p.m.
luther certainly no offence taken. I actually ran doubling season originally and ended up cutting it. I needed combos that ended the game and didnt get enough value for 5 from season.
December 13, 2017 6:34 p.m.
Last_Laugh says... #8
There are 6 pieces that individually synergize with Ghave at an unparalleled level. Any one of these allows you to directly convert mana into tokens at a 1=1 ratio, with no net loss of +1/+1 counters.
Champion of Lambholt, Cathars' Crusade, Ivy Lane Denizen, Sigil Captain, Juniper Order Ranger, and Bloodspore Thrinax. The inclusion of all six pieces would greatly increase the threat of your deck.
Also, token and counter doublers like Doubling Season, Illusionist's Bracers (personal doubling season for Ghave), Parallel Lives, Primal Vigor (This one benefits everyone, careful), Anointed Procession, and Corpsejack Menace all work great here.
Also look into getting Earthcraft which has unfortunately skyrocketed in price lately or it's cheaper alternative here Utopia Mycon.
April 11, 2018 1:01 p.m.
Thanks for the suggestions Last_Laugh! Champion of Lambholt was already in the deck. Some of these cards Ive already tried, some just arent worth the slot.
Parallel Lives, Anointed Procession and Utopia Mycon would be good for sure, Illusionist's Bracers as well. Will probably pick up copies of those cards.
Correct me if im wrong, but in addition to Earthcraft, I need Squirrel Nest to go infinite right? Its not the first time heard ive been suggested that but i think Im missing something abt that card. Definitely isnt worth it to cut something for some random additional combo.
Token swarm is not the play style im aiming for, the deck is supposed to be strictly combo based.
April 11, 2018 2:54 p.m.
GhostChieftain says... #10
With any token doubling, earthcraft should be able to net you infinite saprolings with ghave. Pay 1 and remove a counter to make 2 saprolings, tap a sap to untap a land and sac the sap you tap to add a counter to ghave. Tap the remaining sap to untap a land, then rinse and repeat the process. Doubling Season is the best token doubler for earthcraft since you can spend less mana adding counters to ghave so you can make infinite mana as well as saprolings. But I know your feeling about that card, so I understand you don't want to use it.
As far as Mox Amber goes, I don't think it will make as much of an impact as something like a Fellwar Stone in this deck. You wont likely have a legendary out until you cast your commander in a fair number of games, so a turn 2 artifact that can ramp you turn 3 is better than a turn 1 artifact that you might be able to ramp with on turn 3 but isn't guaranteed til turn 5.
April 11, 2018 8:15 p.m.
rockleemyhero says... #11
Hey i play a lot of cedh and can certainly help you out. Got finals right now but commenting here to remind myself to comment next week :). Or post on my wall if I forget!
May 3, 2018 11:16 a.m.
ALeafWrapper says... #12
I wouldn't bother with Mox Amber, you only have 2 legendary creatures and 1 planeswalker. The Mox would be a dead card. As far as the lands, it depends on your meta. If you need to deal with broken lands go with Wasteland, otherwise Reflecting Pool is more useful having 3 colors.
miracleHat says... #1
Not sure how combo-dedicated you want this to be, but ghave w/out Doubling Season is near crime. Hour of Reckoning is usually a good choice for ghave. If those choices are not combo oriented, then i must ask why Wurmcoil Engine is in the deck... Unstable Obelisk, Lotus Petal, and Swiftfoot Boots all look suspect, along with the exquisite bond combo. Consider cards like Exploration, Return to Dust, and Necropotence (Greed?!). Spidersilk Armor should work in a bruna/avacyn meta (if the meta changes, do not use armor & Merciless Eviction).
June 5, 2017 8:28 p.m.