Judgment Day: Avacyn the Purifier EDH [PRIMER]
Commander / EDH
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Stanimal1821 says... #2
Wow I love this deck it is awsome! Now I would try to throw in a Sword of Kaldra so that way they can't do grave return.
April 25, 2016 3:47 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #3
Stanimal1821: Thank you! I'm glad you like my deck. Sword of Kaldra used to be in here, but the cost (8 to play/equip) was just too high to justify the exile-touch. Also, my things often survive Avacyn's boardwipes because they're indestructible, and Sword of Kaldra would negate that.
I have changed the deck a bit from its current state, however, so I'll adjust this decklist when I have a chance. Notably, I did take Sagi007's advice and I put in a Sun Titan to give myself recusion.
April 25, 2016 5:33 p.m.
Stanimal1821 says... #4
I would highly suggest Nahiri, the Harbinger. I have my own deck like this and I use her alt to find Stonehewer Giant and you can then get Sword of Kaldra(that I have in my deck) or any of your equipment and attach it to Avacyn for just 2 mana! And my deck is Evil Avacyn's Army if you would like to see my own twist on it.
April 26, 2016 4:14 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #5
Stanimal1821: Interesting. I had Nahiri the Harbinger in my first draft, but I cut her because I was underwhelmed. (Same with Stonehewer Giant, actually.)
Do you find that you manage to reach her ultimate often? I'm worried she would not survive the necessary three/four turns to pull it off.
April 26, 2016 4:58 a.m.
Stanimal1821 says... #6
I have Call the Gatewatch in my deck so I normally can get her really early and ult her before they can stop her, and I find her as a great draw and removal card.
April 26, 2016 2:42 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #7
Stanimal1821: if you achieve that often, you might consider Argentum Armor, so you can grab it with Stonehewer. It's even better than SoK in many situations!
April 26, 2016 3:32 p.m.
I'd drop quest for pure flame (it seems like it takes a lot of work for a one time effect) and also spirit link (no amount of life gain can protect you from commander damage or an infinite combo). the academy rector/eldrazi conscription combo looks pretty strong to me though, I'd add that in
April 29, 2016 8:44 p.m.
so I only have two comments:
I don't see why you would have market value in a commander deck with as few creatures as you do
I may be missing something but you do not have any angle creatures so that your commander can flip
Other than that looks good +1
May 9, 2016 4:01 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #12
1) What is market value? As in, I know what "market value" means, but how does it relate to this deck? Do you mean to refer to High Market?
2) She flips when non-angel creatures die :)
May 9, 2016 4:06 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #15
Very well thought-out deck. However, to me, the balance seems a little off. In your description, you said that this deck is intended to switch off between aggro and voltron. Cool concept, and I can see it working really well, but I worry about your ability to aggro players down with this deck. It seems too light on creatures to effectively do that. Most of your creatures are designed to have utility, such as destroying artifacts or burning flyers or ramping, but I think you ought to have a few more that can help with the beatdown plan.
I would definitely add both Brave the Elements and Reverent Mantra to this deck. Most of your attacking creatures are white, so getting protection from most anything prevents players from blocking, allowing you to swing for a big lethal attack on the aggro side of things. For voltron, they're equally effective as well.
Fanatical Devotion seems underwhelming. I get that it allows you to sacrifice with precision and to keep all your creatures alive through an Avacyn flip, but I think it's subpar to the other options you already have and you don't want to be playing too many of these kinds of cards.
Did you take Boros Reckoner out of the list? If you put it back in, consider switching all of your basic lands to snow-covered basics and play Skred.
Some of the equipments in here seem underwhelming. Demonmail Hauberk, Hero's Blade, and Neglected Heirloom Flip strike me as especially underwhelming. If more swords of x and y, Jitte, and Batterskull are too expensive, maybe try something like Darksteel Plate, Fireshrieker, or Champion's Helm?
I know you said that Nahiri, the Harbinger was underwhelming. What about Nahiri, the Lithomancer?
Reveillark seems like a great utility creature for this deck because when Avacyn flips, you get to rebuild that much faster. Something like Rally the Ancestors could be absurd too. You flip avacyn EOT their turn, small stuff dies, then on your turn you cast Rally to get back a pile of utility, since most of your small creatures can get a lot of value off in that 1 turn that they're alive. Not sure if you run enough creatures to get enough off of Rally, but I do think you should be running more creatures anyway.
Mana Geyser seems expensive and inconsistent, but maybe not.
To help the aggro plan, Tajic, Blade of the Legion, Iroas, God of Victory, Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran, Knight of the White Orchid, Balefire Liege and Brimaz, King of Oreskos are all pretty aggressive and effective creatures.
I hope I was able to help given how long it took me to actually post this. Sorry again for the wait, but the deck looks super interesting. Good luck getting to be the top Avacyn deck on the site!
May 14, 2016 11:24 a.m.
The only problem I see here is that you have a "sacrifice this creature" theme, but you don't have that many creatures. Nor do you have draw excel or creature search. I would suggest dumping the equipment aspect of this deck entirely and focus more on the creatures.
Your biggest problem will be people who counter or take possession of your general before it can transform. That will shut down your entire deck.
May 16, 2016 12:08 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #17
KaraZorEl: There are several token-makers that create sacrifice fodder, but actually I don't have a heavy sacrifice theme in this deck (for reference, consider my Beggars and Kings: Meren EDH). Plus, many of my creatures sacrifice themselves. I only need one death trigger to flip Avacyn.
What do you mean by "draw excel"? I have as much draw as I could reasonably manage (without slower artifacts like Mind's Eye). I don't have much creature search, true, but that's also a thing that Boros colors don't have much of. All of the artifact options (Citanul Flute and Planar Portal come to mind) are too slow to be useful here.
With all due respect, I don't think you understand how a Voltron deck functions :) I can't "dump the equipment aspect entirely"; I wouldn't have a deck left if I did so. It's the core of my deck - the aggro plan is secondary.
And finally, you're right that counterspells are bit of a problem here. I side in Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast when I'm playing heavy control - can you think of anything else to address this problem? I haven't had anyone steal my commander yet, but if it becomes a large problem I'll add in Brand and Homeward Path.
linuk: The High Market is one of the cards that might be cut soon, but it's there to make sure I can always have a creature die when I want to. Also, its lesser purpose is to kill Avacyn in response to an opponent attempting to steal her. You're right that it's a weak link, though, and I might just switch it for a basic or a shock.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd: Thank you for taking the time to leave such a long comment! I've made some large changes since you left your comment, however, so a few of your points have already been addressed. My response is split into "paragraphs" below:
I've never seen Reverent Mantra before, and that's a very interesting card (especially since I could burn a tutor or something late-game to cast it for free). I have several copies of Brave the Elements sitting around, and I'll try fitting on in for a little while. It has one big advantage over RM, which is that I can use it to shield my creatures from Avacyn's flip without shielding my opponents' creatures as well.
The big reason Fanatical Devotion is in here is twofold: first, as you identified, only half of my creatures die to Avacyn's wipe rather than all of them. However, it also protects my commander (or whichever creature is suited up) from Wrath of God and friends. That being said, you're right that it's seemed underwhelming recently - it's another of the cards I'm thinking about cutting. Plus, for its job, Mark of Asylum and Martyr's Cause usually do the trick better.
Boros Reckoner came out because 1) nobody attacks with big things in my meta (if they can be blocked, at least), 2) 3 damage to a player is small in EDH, and 3) Repercussion does it better anyway. I had a few silly moments with Blasphemous Act, but honestly that's too janky even for me.
I'm not interested to switching into Snow-Covered lands, mostly because the lands in my deck are really pretty IRL (yes, yes, I care about that). However, my Zada deck (Red Scare: Zada EDH) could definitely use a Snow-Covered Mountain upgrade, so thanks for reminding me.
Demonmail Hauberk has actually proven its worth again and again (I was surprised too): 1) it's a HUGE power boost for my commander and often pushes her into OHKO range, and 2) it can flip her at sorcery speed when I need to wipe the board. However, you're correct that Hero's Blade and Neglected Heirloom Flip have been less than stellar, and I actually took them out recently. I also got my hands on a Champion's Helm and a Wheel of Fortune, which replaced them. It plays really smoothly with the current build, which I like.
The only problem now is that I sometimes don't have enough power boosters. The magic number is 11 power on Avacyn, because I can kill in one hit with double strike or Inquisitor's Flail. If I manage to get a power quadrupler (such as a double IF or an IF and double strike), I only need to get her to 6 power.
Nahiri, the Lithomancer was also in the first physical draft (before I put it up on T/O). She just...didn't do enough. Her +2 was rarely relevant (because I usually don't want to move my equipment around), her -2 was just okay (my equipment is cheap, and hopefully not dead), and her -10 was unreachable. Plus she'd get punched to death pretty quickly. I've been considering putting her back in, especially since I now added Argentum Armor, but I haven't decided yet.
Reveillark is a great card, and might have a place here. However, I have three complaints. First, it can't hit a few important creatures like Magus of the Wheel (who is just amazing, btw). Second, it's at 5 mana, which is a space I try to reserve for my commander in an aggressive deck. Third, Sun Titan already kind of does the job (though redundancy is always nice). I'll consider it (though $9 is a lot for an "I'll consider"...)
Mana Geyser has caused me headaches before (man, I wish it added W instead of R!) but when it works, it WORKS. Having WW(Rx20) should win the game on the spot, heh: it'll often go Mana Geyser on T6 into "empty my hand, equip everything, swing to kill". I might be persuaded to cut it, but there are other cards I'd get rid of first. It's expensive (mana-wise) but extremely consistent: I've never had it give me less than 12 mana (since I play mostly in 4-5 person pods).
And finally, it's ironic, but almost all of the aggressive cards you mentioned were in here but got removed eventually (with the exception of Brimaz). I thought they'd be good too, but they each turned out to have problems.
In order: Tajic, Blade of the Legion had no evasion and always got chumped - and I'm not playing many evasion equipment because my commander has inherent flying. Iroas, God of Victory was good, but took up my T4 without contributing any power or damage (I might re-add him, though - he's under consideration). Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran has a small effect for 5 mana IMHO (compare to Jor Kadeen, who made the cut). Knight of the White Orchid was difficult to cast T2, and less useful afterwards. Balefire Liege was great for pumping everything, but I'm not casting enough WR spells to get value off of his second half (and again he takes a slot at 5 mana). And I haven't tried Brimaz, King of Oreskos yet...maybe I will...
Wow. That was...a longer comment than I intended. Thanks to everyone for their input again! :)
May 16, 2016 2:06 a.m.
Have you considered Blight Sickle? Giving Avacyn wither can make her flip count against your opponent's indestructible creatures, or when you can't give her deathtouch.
May 17, 2016 11:49 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #21
Citridon: I hadn't considered it, but it's not a bad idea! It does interact poorly with Eldrazi Displacer, but you can't have everything. I haven't had too much of a problem with small, indestructible creatures currently, but Blight Sickle will definitely go in my sideboard when I get around to making one, haha! (Along with Pyroblast, Red Elemental Blast, Blood Moon, etc.)
May 18, 2016 1:26 a.m.
I see what you mean about displacer. In my list, I run Akroma's Memorial, Mark of Asylum, and Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant to focus on preventing damage from her flip.Depending on your budget, Light of Sanction will do the job too.
May 18, 2016 10:57 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #23
Citridon: do you have a link to your deck around her? I'd love to see your take. Personally I find Akroma's Memorial too expensive (in terms of mana) and Light of Sanction too restrictive (doesn't protect me from opposing Blasphemous Acts) but Rune-Tail is a good idea. Every EDH deck is 20% better with the demifox! Do you ever have trouble flipping him if you draw him a bit later?
May 18, 2016 12:57 p.m. Edited.
sweet deck. +1'ed I like that you included some very fun creatures that are great commanders on their own.
May 19, 2016 12:27 p.m.
Daedalus19876, I'll try amd get my Avacyn list on here this evening. I just started with tapped out, so I've only gotten my Standard decks and one of my modern decks listed.The one time I drew Rune-Tail late game I had basilisk collar. Avacyn flipped amd got me 93 life points...
Daedalus19876 says... #1
acbooster: Stuffy Doll is awesome in the right kind of deck, but I'm not really a fan here. I don't think he does enough for 5 mana (too expensive for redirecting Avacyn's damage), everyone in my meta plays exile removal, and he's in the same slot as my commander. Thank you for the comment regardless, though! :)
April 24, 2016 2:31 p.m.