Well, it's like Spazik008 said - Jund is a philosophy. Now, as far as the strategy goes, that's sound. Everything about this looks very much like a deck meant to grind out a tasty game and peck off everything that poses a threat. It has the competitive nature (such to say, "survival of the fittest" nature) of a typical Jund deck. If you look just at the colours and cards themselves, it certainly seems every bit a Junk goodstuff deck with Lightning Bolt - but it's more focused on the interaction of the cards. Everything is very efficient, like Jund. This deck will most likely win a top-deck war, like Jund. And so on, and so forth.
Typically, yes, the term "Jund" refers to the colour identity of the deck. But Spazik008 was referring to the feel. Much like how Eggs or Second Breakfast is a deck that is U/W (sometimes greeen, too, for Noxious Revival ), but every second feels like playing a crazy Izzet combo deck, not Azorius/Bant. Suicide Black and friends feel like Red Deck Wins, depending on how they're built.
Besides, can you really say with a straight face that Modern tri-colour decks with B/G in them don't all feel like Jund? Except MAYBE some B/U/G decks, since they have access to counters and other proactive control methods, as opposed to reactive. Black and green are just grindy-deck enablers, and the last colour splash is really more a question of personal preference.
June 7, 2014 1:25 a.m.
Also, Spazik, I think you should have at least one Scooze in the 75 - it's just so efficient and Jund-y. Besides, recouping life from Bob is useful in a deck with 4-drops. I would've recommended Courser of Kruphix , but if there's one thing you don't need it's more 3-drops, and the lifegain from it is limited to one instance per turn. And you get a little card advantage, but no utility, other than its big booty.
June 7, 2014 1:35 a.m.
I just made a huge update. The general sentiment regarding the pushing of 4 color seems right. This list is more "Jund-y" in some ways but less so in others, particularly the Rancor. I want to call this a jund deck because that's what it feels most like but it really is a midrange brew.
June 8, 2014 12:36 a.m.
Honestly, it seems stronger to me now than before. Good call cutting red.
Was Sorin not cutting it for you?
Also, do you think you'll want the 4th Abrupt Decay in the 75? I think it's a fantastic card, but my experience is in standard more than modern.
June 8, 2014 2:59 a.m.
I actually do want to add a 4th Abrupt Decay
into the 75 but where to cut for it would be hard. The only possible slot I could think of would be one of the "silver bullets" on the SB, like Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
, or Choke
.
I honestly don't know because that sort of minutiae seems feels like it could only be discerned through extensive testing. Thanks for the encouraging response regarding the update though. I feel like this is more "streamlined", and also going deeper into hybridization will catch people off guard at a large tournament.
June 8, 2014 3:13 a.m.
TheMillKid says... #8
cool new list. I like the feel, and i think it fits pretty well. sublime with souls seems amazing, although i'm not sure how good rancor will be. I think maybe adding a Maelstrom Pulse would be beneficial, along with maybe Bitterblossom or Elspeth, Knight-Errant
June 8, 2014 12:19 p.m.
NoSoyYucateco says... #9
I like your take on it. The Modern Event Deck is pretty sweet. Here's what I did with it: Pain Has An Element Of Blank.
June 8, 2014 8:46 p.m.
After reading some of the comments I have to say I agree with HarbingerJK. This is junk. Not jund. There's a reason there is a b/g/r in the hub label of jund.
June 9, 2014 1:47 a.m.
sure i realize color-wise this is not "Jund". Jund comes from Alara. Jund means black green and red.
When I say "Jund" here I'm referring to the "jund" decks in the eternal formats. There's a style to "Jund" that has developed to incorporate a meaning beyond the color shard.
The way this list has morphed is currently more like "Jund" than anything else. Feel free to call it what you want. I'm actually enjoying throwing my opponents off and having them sideboard wrong.
June 9, 2014 4:18 a.m.
Paradoxical says... #13
"When I say "Jund" here I'm referring to the "jund" decks in the eternal formats. There's a style to "Jund" that has developed to incorporate a meaning beyond the color shard."
That style is Rock. It's an archetype that started off as G/B, and as R came to offer cards that complimented the style, like Bloodbraid Elf , Sprouting Thrinax , Blightning , and Boggart Ram-Gang , and Jund (being R/G/B) took over the mantle of the Rock archetype.
If you're calling this Jund because of the spirit of the deck, you're using the wrong term. It's a Rock deck. You think of it as Jund because you're playing the same style as they are, with different colors.
That said, I dig the deck. Other than being mislabeled, it seems solid. SB needs an answer for Twin decks, though.
June 9, 2014 3:51 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #14
I've said what I'm about to say on a couple different decks of yours, so I think it's getting to be a habit.
No Gemstone Mine in your BG midrange deck. If you're having trouble casting Voice of Resurgence , play some Razorverge Thicket . If black is an issue, cut the stupid Vault of the Archangel for an extra Swamp . Your mana issues likely come from the fact that you insist on playing things like Reflecting Pool and Treetop Village , which I would cut for Twilight Mire , Fetid Heath or Wooded Bastion , which can all be options depending on some testing.
I recommend going up to four Stirring Wildwood , as just like a Jund deck you need your manland to do lategame work. I also think your 2-of shockland should be Overgrown Tomb , as you have more green two-drops than white two-drops.
A revised manabase might look like this:
4x Marsh Flats
2x Swamp
1x Forest
This version doesn't even have Murmuring Bosk , which you could run in some numbers. Hope this helps!
June 9, 2014 4:57 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #17
@Typhoon99 You make them discard it, or you float BG and Abrupt Decay the Blood Moon . If you can't do either, you just lose. That's fine. You don't have to beat it all the time.
June 10, 2014 5:08 p.m.
The_Squirrel says... #20
Blood Moon is good against most 3-color+ decks, so you have to accept that it might beat you. If he has an Abrupt Decay in hand and untapped lands, he can tap in response and decay it. I was going to suggest adding more basics though. It would help against blood moon, plus help vs Path to Exile and Ghost Quarter . Sometimes you want to just search for a basic to avoid taking 2 from a shock as well.
You could also consider adding two or so Courser of Kruphix . I think it would be good to add another 3 drop as currently all your creatures are 2s. The courser adds some card advantage plus a little more lifegain helps get back all the life you lose from shocks, thoughtseizes, fetches, and bobs.
Some changes you could consider:
Remove:
1-2x Voice of Resurgence
Add:1x Swamp
1x Forest
1x Plains
1-2x Courser of Kruphix
One other note, why Thalia in the side? You only have 14 creatures, so I think she'd hurt you as much as opponents most times. If its against storm, there are likely better options.
Nice deck!
June 10, 2014 6:03 p.m.
I might as well be the grammar nazi, you misspelled Resurgence in the title, you spelled it Resurgeance. Haha anyways, this is an interesting take, +1 from me! :D
June 12, 2014 7:10 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #22
Another manabase thing: I might give 2 Tectonic Edge a try, replacing the Reflecting Pool (which I might just replace with like a filter land or Razorverge Thicket or Murmuring Bosk anyway) and the Vault of the Archangel . Tec. Edge allows you to punish an opponent that's having trouble drawing further lands past 4, and can give control and Tron players fits. It's good in plenty of matchups, so I recommend you give it a shot.
Have you given Elspeth, Knight-Errant a try? She may give you some more aggressive potential, as sometimes you could just steamroll the opponent with 5/5 Voice of Resurgence s or overwhelm them with tokens. I personally dislike the Raven's Crime (especially without Life from the Loam , it's just not really that good). Zealous Persecution seems better in token decks for the wide buff, and I think you may be better off with Courser of Kruphix for better grind capabilities.
June 12, 2014 8:58 p.m.
Drown in sorrow vs Damnation in the sideboard? What lead you to Drown? Does the turn it comes down faster help more? If so, in what matches.
+1, love the deck! If I had Tarmy, Lili, and Bob, I'd probably build a version of it myself. Honestly, I aspire to playing a deck very similar to this when I've got the cards someday.
June 13, 2014 12:57 a.m.
It's mainly being at 22 land makes 4 drops hard. The 2x Obstinate Baloth on the side is pushing it, and only then do they make the cut because they can come in for mirrors against other Liliana of the Veil decks. These Jund style decks are all about picturing the metagame in your head and imagining how potential top decks work against it, which is as much an art as it is a science.
HarbingerJK says... #1
I don't know anyone who calls a deck Jund just because it "feels" like Jund. I've only ever seen Jund referenced when it is G/R/B...I have seen white in Jund decks, but it was splashed, much like you have with Lightning Bolt .
June 6, 2014 6:58 p.m.