Kaalia's War Council! [RTR]-[THS] STD
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IMO you should drop Mana Confluence as it is a greedy card, and costs too much life, especially for a deck that has minimal life gain, and is looking to drag games out to the 10-11 turn range. You should use more scry lands instead because a deck like this without card draw NEEDS deck manipulation.
Next thing is youre lacking a little bit in the instant speed department. I run 5 instant speed spells (youre at 4, but instant speed is a huge deal considering how pesky haste and mutavaults are). If you want a recommendation for what to look at, i would try testing Magma Jet as it also would give you some extra deck manipulation of which is sorely needed here.
Why no planeswalkers? Your color scheme has access to the best walker in standard, Elspeth, Sun's Champion , she can literally win a game on her own. Not to mention Chandra, Pyromaster is not to be underestimated when combined with scry.
Also, Why not use Desecration Demon ? you have no 4 drops creatures, and he is the best power creep creature in the standard. I would drop 2 Boros Reckoner for him as both creatures achieve the same thing which is soft creature removal with a strong board presence.
just my 2 cents :)
May 17, 2014 9:32 p.m.
I think there are to many straight up kill spells here. Maybe drop 1 Dreadbore for a 4th Banishing Light ?
I also agree with most of the above comment...a friend of mine runs a very similar deck with 4 Desecration Demon in place of Boros Reckoner , and it is powerful.
He also runs both Elspeth, Sun's Champion (he has less creatures, so her -3 doesnt hurt him much), and Chandra, Pyromaster . Elspeth is powerful, but unfortunately kills most of your board, so may not be as worth it as Chandra, who is just awesome. Gives draw power, as you don't have Underworld Connections , and burns and removes blockers.
I disagree about dropping Mana Confluence though...Blood Baron of Vizkopa , Obzedat, Ghost Council , and Whip of Erebos make for more than enough lifegain, even with all the shocklands and Thoughtseize .
May 18, 2014 1:28 p.m.
alucardx26 says... #5
no your statement was correct. Mana Confluence is too greedy of a card. It has no place in this deck. Take them out for Mutavault
May 18, 2014 6:43 p.m.
I tried 2 Mana Confluence , and I dropped them. We can have a stable manabase without them, we don't need them. They hurt so much. We don't need more mana fixing. I am working on a 4 color deck, which will need mana fixing, and I won't play a full playset. I will play only 3, because I want one in play, and not 2. The first one is fixing mana, the second one is right out killing you.
Lifelink is partially a resource we can work with, with shocklands, Thoughtseize , etc, but it is also partially a way to race pretty much anything by taking hits and not dying. By playing Mana Confluence , we amputate ourselves from racing other decks. It hurts that much.
As for replacing them with Mutavault , I disagree. Mutavault in this list only accomplishes gaining time and turns, and losing land drops in the process. It doesn't really allow to go aggressive, and if it allows to do so vs control decks, vs control decks we would much rather have black mana for Thoughtseize and Underworld Connections . Actually, losing colored sources alone is a bad idea. Look at the mainboard :
- Whip of Erebos
- Brimaz, King of Oreskos
- Boros Reckoner
- Obzedat, Ghost Council
- Stormbreath Dragon
- Dreadbore
More often than not, you will regret playing Mutavault , unless you like the card like I like Obzedat, Ghost Council , because you will encounter mana deaths and color deaths. And Mutavault is not helping with those. There isn't even a set of Pack Rat for them to have a reason to be in there. I'm not suggesting a set of Pack Rat should be included, not at all.
May 20, 2014 8:44 p.m.
IATEAREPUBLICAN says... #7
A couple suggestions:1) Make it faster! I have two cards in mind - Soldier of the Pantheon , a great one drop, and Ash Zealot , 2 drop, 2/2 hasty and first striker.2) For removal, run Chained to the Rocks . Its probably already been mentioned, but its so much more useful in your case than Banishing Light. Its 1 drop instead of 3 for practically the same thing.amazing deck though. +1
May 21, 2014 2:18 p.m.
IATEAREPUBLICAN says... #8
Also another great early game creature is Nyx-Fleece Ram . 0/5 lifegainer for 2? It can really stall your opponent especially if they run aggro.
May 21, 2014 2:21 p.m.
Those cards don't fit here. Soldier of the Pantheon and Ash Zealot are aggro creatures, and this is mid range. To fit them in, you'd have to remove kill spells, and that would be no good.
Chained to the Rocks is not so much better than Banishing Light , mainly because it only hits creatures, and there is already enough straight creature removal here with Hero's Downfall , Dreadbore , and Mizzium Mortars , which are all better due to their ability to also hit planeswalkers, or boardwipe.
Nyx-Fleece Ram isn't necessary, and again would mess with the curve here. There is more than enough lifegain here between Obzedat, Ghost Council , Blood Baron of Vizkopa , and Whip of Erebos .
May 21, 2014 6:34 p.m.
IATEAREPUBLICAN says... #10
The point of Nyx-Fleece Ram is to stall out a super aggro deck so you can catch up and start you game up, not for the life gain. Otherwise, I see your point.
May 21, 2014 6:54 p.m.
So it is a sideboard card then, but there is already Anger of the Gods in the side against aggro.
May 21, 2014 7:13 p.m.
Viral_Assassin says... #12
@chill4r I found that what most of what you said is true. I was losing a lot of life due to Mana Confluence and have cut the number of them down but will not remove all of them as they help tremendously. Once Mizzium Mortars rotates out I fully intend on using Chained to the Rocks but at that point Sacred Foundry will be out too. I play tested with running no Desecration Demon and added in Brimaz, King of Oreskos but he just did not work out as well as I would of hoped. Maybe come rotation I will use Brimaz, King of Oreskos . I would be interested in discussing sideboard options, If you want you can leave a message on my wall or I can leave one on yours.
@Flabbergasted I have removed them all together as you have suggested but upped the number of Deicide to replace them. I feel as the more and more enchantment heavy this meta heads towards they will be invaluable.
@wolfsokol I will be changing this deck up once the rotation hits. I do have some ideas but its all just theory at this point. I can get back to you though once I have some time.
@konawolv I have no planeswalkers at the moment because even though I feel the same way about Elspeth, Sun's Champion that can't be the sole reason for me to run her. It is mostly just the speed I can get her out in. That 6 mana is pretty killer. Once the rotation hits I will probably use her. As for Chandra, Pyromaster I just don't own any. I will get some soon as they are pretty cheap and play test them. I had forgotten all about her.
@alucardx26 I 100% disagree with what you have said. At least Mana Confluence is the mana I need when I need it. Mutavault just doesn't work that well in a 3 colour deck. Not in my experience.
@lonewaer I agree with your statement but I love Mana Confluence . It has literally helped me this whole time since it has been released. My deck is playing way better then expected. It is mostly with the curve. Going from Boros Reckoner into Desecration Demon is hard work having all the right mana. With Mana Confluence this helps hugely.
@IATEAREPUBLICAN I am not going for speed or else I would have included those gladly. Come rotation I might need to use Soldier of the Pantheon again though. I was using it during the early stages of this deck and it did work well but other cards have taken its place. The reason why I run Banishing Light over Chained to the Rocks is because Banishing Light can also take care of other Banishing Light . There is almost no limit to what Banishing Light can get rid of where as Chained to the Rocks is only creatures. Nyx-Fleece Ram is another once that I might run once the rotation hits as well.
Thanks again to everyone. Sorry it took so long to get back to everyone but I am so thankfull!
May 22, 2014 10:18 a.m.
Shrouded79 says... #13
I would suggest that you could take out one mortar and one dread bore(maybe something else) but somewhere, whatever you replace, you may want to throw in 2 High Priest of Penance. At just BW he is a great turn 2 aggro stopper and his ability can be helpful in many ways throughout the game if it drags on.
May 23, 2014 6:35 a.m.
Ob Nixilis, Unshackled could be a fun sideboard card against those pesky green and white decks, also useful against black! xD
July 11, 2014 11:53 a.m.
Viral_Assassin says... #18
TBH he would probably be great Mainboard instead of Sideboard. For the moment though there is to much removal that hits him before he makes a presence. He will definitely be a great contender for my other deck that will be used after rotation Dawnbreaker's Assault!. The only reason I don't want to play him here and at this moment is that his mana cost is pretty high for this current meta with the prices of removal being very cheap at the moment. Once some of the good stuff rotates out then he will be pretty powerful. (Note. I do not claim to know or have known of what's to come from future sets, just rumours and spoilers.)
July 12, 2014 6:59 a.m.
RobossVampireHunter says... #19
Are you sure you want sign in blood over read the bones? You are 3 coloured and schry 2 is highly relevant.
July 23, 2014 9:39 p.m.
Viral_Assassin says... #20
I prefer Sign in Blood because it's instant speed and cost less mana wise. I agree that the Scry is very helpful and would make it more ideal to most players. I will play test with Read the Bones again to see if I prefer the Scry over the instant speed.
July 23, 2014 11:26 p.m.
Viral_Assassin says... #22
I am sorry, I had miss-read it on my phone (I thought I saw it under Instant List. Mobile version has always been buggy for me. I feel that regardless of it being sorcery speed, it is still a stronger draw card in my opinion. If you run this list you can obviously feel free to adjust where and what you want. I like that it is cheaper and that it can target anyone. This deck does see some casual play where anything goes. Stuff like Underworld Dreams is totally a thing in my playgroup and this can help play around it.
July 24, 2014 9:54 a.m.
RobossVampireHunter says... #23
While I agree it is nice that it's CMC is less, you can still expect that you will be casting sign in blood around the same time you could cast read the bones, because it is double black. Regardless, they are both strong cards, just a thought.
July 24, 2014 1:39 p.m.
I suggest Boros Charm over warleader helix. The gain 4 life is nice but with Planar Cleansing Control being more popular, plus blacks removal as you mentioned, the indestructible option is a must have over gaining 4 life. It also just more versatile. Granted you can't give Stormbreath Dragon double strike but giving Aurelia, the Warleader double strike!!? Plus, the look on a control players face when you Boros Charm for indestructible after they tapped out for Planar Cleansing is priceless.
August 6, 2014 4:37 p.m.
Just playtested this again, and the combination of Mana Confluence and the pain lands are KILLER! They killed you pretty fast!
wolfsokol says... #1
I would reccomend dropping Crypt Incursion , Revoke Existence , Lightning Strike and drop 1x Deicide this gives you 8 cards to work with. I would add 4 Duress for control and burn 2x Sin Collector for the same reason and then 2x Skullcrack which is jsuta better lightning strike I think. to stop sphinx revs and MBD or anything with massive lifegain maybe an ulted ajani for example. You may also want to side and Erebos.
For your mainboard Iwould drop 1 Boros Reckoner and 1 Desecration Demon for 2x Whip of Erebos for the lifegain and recursion.
Thanks for this great deck idea I have been looking for something to play and may try this however post rotation what are you going to do any thoughts?
May 14, 2014 10:52 p.m.