FeralKitten says... #2
Thanks Lost_Ascendant! I didn't put Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in because it too often enables my opponents and I don't have a spare around right now. I might consider it in the future if I'm really going for big mana.
February 6, 2016 6:04 p.m.
even if it enables opponents its still worth running. the jump in mana you get is always worth it.
February 11, 2016 6:32 p.m.
FeralKitten says... #5
I did put Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in the deck, no regrets.
Regarding Kalitas getting rid of Planeswalkers, if he told you he'd have to kill you.
February 11, 2016 6:34 p.m.
Wooshadoodle says... #6
If you want even more value out of Urborg, you could run Filth. Get him in the yard with Urborg in play and have fun with all your creatures being unblockable.
February 12, 2016 1:33 a.m.
Andrew6Gardiner says... #7
Why are you running Mikaeus? he doesn't really seem to do anything useful here other than lording and killing humans who hit you. If you're not taking advantage of his other ability then why run him?
February 12, 2016 2:18 p.m.
FeralKitten says... #8
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed is in here to get extra value from the nontoken vampires and zombies that may be sacrificed, and also to help maintain a board state when I cast one of the several board wipes in the deck. I have yet to play a game with him in the deck yet, but several of my previous games would have gone much differently if Mikaeus was on the field. Plus as you mention, he is a passive kill effect and a lord, both of which work well for this deck.
February 12, 2016 3:04 p.m.
FeralKitten says... #9
Sorry I missed the Filth comment in my last reply Wooshadoodle. The possible swampwalk is useful, but really my goal for the deck is to keep the board as clear of other player's creatures which makes the ability less useful overall. As I play the deck I'll keep the card in mind, thanks!
February 12, 2016 5:19 p.m.
UpsetYoMama says... #10
Personally, I find that Sign in Blood is lackluster in EDH. I think Read the Bones is potentially okay because of the scry. I would run Erebos, God of the Dead.
Dark Ritual is kind of the same thing. I'd rather have a continual use out of something, like Gilded Lotus, rather than a one-time effect. Doubling Cube for more mana, too.
I have a zombie deck, and one hilarious card in it is Gravespawn Sovereign. I've actually won with that card by sacrificing and repeatedly returning Gray Merchant of Asphodel. Plus, when you drop a card like that in EDH everybody is always like wtf is that and don't view it as a threat until it's too late. And it always stalls other reanimator decks late game.
February 13, 2016 1:42 p.m.
FeralKitten says... #11
I agree Sign in Blood isn't great, but it's a pet card in our group and always great when you can kill someone on their last few life with it. I like Erebos, God of the Dead, but since Kalitas is also a mana sink I'm probably going to pass on him for the deck.
Dark Ritual is a card I'm trying out. I like the prospect of casting Kalitas on T1 with that and Sol Ring, or casting something like a board wipe a few turns earlier than expected, so we'll see how it plays out. Gilded Lotus would be the logical swap for it. I'm not sure how I feel about Doubling Cube, but I'll keep it in mind. Gravespawn Sovereign is another card I'll keep in mind as I play the deck.
Thanks for the suggestions UpsetYoMama!
February 13, 2016 4:11 p.m.
Andrew6Gardiner says... #13
Yes Mikaeus gives all of your vampires/zombies undying, but it also gives them a +1+1 counter which makes it so that their undying won't trigger, so this is useless unless you have a way to remove the counter. (A Vampire Hexmage perhaps).
February 14, 2016 7:01 p.m.
FeralKitten says... #14
No Mercy is decent, but lends itself to a more pillowfort approach than I'm going for here. Something to think about.
Andrew6Gardiner, I don't think the undying is useless at all. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed gives your non-human creatures a static +1/+1, so the non-tokens still get an undying trigger before they get a counter. Since Kalitas will often have counters he probably won't get the undying too often, but will still get the static +1/+1 which is nice. Granted undying only triggers once, I could always run the Cauldron of Souls in my maybeboard to be able to repeatedly recur my creatures. But really, the prospect of triggering Fleshbag Marauder or Merciless Executioner twice in a turn is too good to pass up.
February 14, 2016 10:05 p.m.
VisuaI_Effects says... #15
you should definitely put in Horobi, Death's Wail and abuse Cauldron of Souls and Touch of Darkness
February 15, 2016 8:30 a.m.
Panzerforge says... #16
I agree with the Cauldron of Souls. Combine that with your board wipes, and you'll have the game in hand.
February 15, 2016 6:35 p.m.
FeralKitten says... #17
I see the Horobi, Death's Wail + Touch of Darkness combo, but Cauldron of Souls would only work before Horobi drops, right? Otherwise my creatures die before the persist ability is applied. I have a feeling if I put Horobi in then Kalitas will be getting killed all over the place. I think I'm more convinced on Cauldron of Souls though. Anyone have suggestions for cuts?
February 15, 2016 6:59 p.m.
Panzerforge says... #18
Yes, just like Undying, Persist must be applied prior to the death of the creature (even if it happens on the stack above whatever's killing said creature.)
So it would work with Horobi to protect your own creatures if you tapped it prior. I was more considering Cauldron of Souls as a way to keep control of the table after using Damnation, Deadly Tempest and Necromantic Selection, and also a great way to keep your Commander alive if your opponent gets clever and indirectly targets your commander.
February 15, 2016 9:43 p.m.
FeralKitten says... #19
I agree on your reasons for adding it, they're exactly why I was thinking about it. I'll put it in the next time I'm swapping cards in decks...so sometime this week.
February 15, 2016 9:45 p.m.
I'd be wary of adding Lifeline. It works so that if an opponent's creatures dies and you have a creature, say a zombie, they get their dude back.
February 16, 2016 10:02 a.m. Edited.
FeralKitten says... #21
I know it works like that NecroPony, but I figure with Kalitas out my opponents' creatures won't come back (since they won't technically "die") but mine will. Letting people abuse it is definitely something to watch out for, so maybe have a backup to Kalitas with Leyline of the Void? I might try it out next time I play to see how it goes.
February 16, 2016 4:33 p.m.
TheEpithet says... #23
I think it would be awesome to run old Kalitas, Kalitas Bloodchief of Ghet, in the deck too. I don't know what you would cut though.
February 20, 2016 7:43 p.m.
FeralKitten says... #24
@Gattison: Thanks!
@TheEpithet: I've thought about running OG Kalitas, and while the Kaliti would be fun to use together, he costs a lot and wouldn't get me the vampire token because new Kalitas replaces the dying with exile, though I would still get a zombie so not too shabby I guess. To the maybeboard it goes!
February 21, 2016 12:51 a.m. Edited.
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Lost_Ascendant says... #1
Cabal Coffers but no Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth! but looks like a fun deck.
February 6, 2016 5:52 p.m.