In a Knight themed deck kinsbaile is waaaaay better than silverblade, its silly to argue that its not... I mean I play a Knight deck and took out the silverblades for the kinsbailes because 2x Knight Exemplar + Kinsbaile Cavalier = fu 99% of the time. As for the Titan vs emeria, emeria is just sooo slooooow. I mean if you have no land fetch it helps at turn 8 and thats ONLY if youve dropped a plains for 7 straight turns otherwise emeria is a land that comes into play tapped while the Titan can be out 2 full turns before emeria and he starts reanimating as soon as he hits the board... go with emeria if you like, I just hope you get at least 8-9 turns a game.
June 20, 2013 7:18 p.m.
Formortiis says... #3
In a Knight themed deck kinsbaile is waaaaay better than silverblade, its silly to argue that its not
Then evidently you don't play aggro. In aggro, a 3 drop is much better than a 4 drop because it comes out a turn sooner and does just about as much as Cavalier most of the time anyway.
As for the Titan vs emeria, emeria is just sooo slooooow. I mean if you have no land fetch it helps at turn 8 and thats ONLY if youve dropped a plains for 7 straight turns otherwise emeria is a land that comes into play tapped while the Titan can be out 2 full turns before emeria and he starts reanimating as soon as he hits the board... go with emeria if you like, I just hope you get at least 8-9 turns a game.
That's why you play neither of them.
June 20, 2013 7:29 p.m.
Formortiis says... #5
The only real advantage Kinsbaile Cavalier has over Silverblade Paladin is that it gets to keep Double Strike even if it's not theoretically bonded to a creature. That's only a small enough advantage to warrant running 2 at the most and making all the other copies you would run Paladins.
June 20, 2013 10:45 p.m.
Aggro isn't the only way to go here. You can also go with Mono-White Control. A lot of the cards in this deck are already well-suited for that purpose. Between Indestructible Creatures, Board-Sweepers, and Removal adding in some Recursion with Sun Titan and Emeria, The Sky Ruin will allow you to outlast an opponent if the initial Aggro approach doesn't work. Then simply, clear the Board, and start again.
If you're worried about getting to 7 Plains for Emeria, The Sky Ruin , Run Knight of the White Orchid , Flagstones of Trokair (This is even better now with the new Legendary rules and can be used to fetch Mistveil Plains , which still counts as a Plains , not to mention can be done each turn with Sun Titan , thinning the deck and drawing lands), and in a pinch, Path to Exile targeted on your own Creature - Knight of the White Orchid , perhaps?
I have a deck like this for Modern, which I mentioned earlier in this thread: Knights of the Sky Ruin, that has a more in-depth explanation for the cards I run.
June 21, 2013 1:16 a.m.
Formortiis says... #7
Aggro isn't the only way to go here.
If you want to win, it is.
June 21, 2013 1:44 a.m.
Ok so let me just ask this then, say you have a Knight of Meadowgrain , Leonin Skyhunter , and a Knight Exemplar out and have a Kinsbaile Cavalier and a Silverblade Paladin in your hand... which one are you playing, Formortiis?
June 21, 2013 7:31 a.m.
Formortiis says... #9
Do you honestly think you'll have that kind of board state in Modern?
June 21, 2013 10:12 a.m.
Yes, in a deck with close to 30 creatures it is more than possible. In mtg everything has an answer for everything, you board wipe me, Faith's Reward ...you have spot removal, I sb in Knight of Dawn and Mother of Runes . So I ask again, which one would you cast?
June 21, 2013 10:39 a.m.
Formortiis says... #11
No one is going to run the former in a knight deck and the latter two require the deck to go eternal to be played.
Beyond that, though, against a decent modern deck, your creatures will generally not be living long enough most of the time for Kinsbaile Cavalier to give the bonus to more than 1 knight. I don't know what bad meta you play in to think that's a common board state, but here in good meta land, we know better than to expect something so ideal.
June 21, 2013 10:44 a.m.
GoTeamJosh says... #12
Honestly, I have yet to play in a Modern Tournament at my local shops, but I'm wanting to get this deck ready so I at least have a fighting chance. I have no idea what I'd be up against or what is common in Modern. Though, it's really all about having fun, so it's not the end of the world if I get pwned every single game. Regardless, I wouldn't mind winning a few and all of your comments/suggestions have helped trim and tighten up the deck.
June 21, 2013 11:02 a.m.
ScionLocke says... #13
GoTeamJosh: I'm sorry for the argument that's been going on in the comments. This deck is actually very solid and i love it. if i haven't already, +1 for me and good luck. here are a few suggestions I've found and might be worth taking a look at:
Knight of Sursi I'm not sure of it's implications in YOUR deck but all around a decent care
Knight of the White Orchid could be a mana fix but i don't really think you need it, it was worth posting
Spectral Rider is good sideboard material for non-white decks.
Wilt-Leaf Liege is a welcome addition but I don't think there is a spot for it here.
June 21, 2013 12:03 p.m.
GoTeamJosh says... #14
Thanks for all the suggestions, Carpediem. I agree that Spectral Rider is a great sideboard card. Since I'm not sure what all kinds of decks typically appear in Modern Tournaments, I'm not sure which cards to place in my sideboard. That one seems an obvious choice though.
Knight of the White Orchid is also a good one. I'll have to buy 2 of them and see how it plays. I like that card as a turn 2, but I also really like my current turn 2s. Since the deck essentially runs on 4 lands, I usually don't have any issues. It happens sometimes, of course, but not too often.June 21, 2013 1:29 p.m.
Formortiis says... #15
Knight of Sursi I'm not sure of it's implications in YOUR deck but all around a decent care
A 2/2 flier with a defunct ability that comes out on turn 4 is by no means decent.
As for Spectral Rider in the sideboard, while it sounds like a good idea now, you're eventually going to come to realize that you need every slot in your sideboard to deal mainly with combo decks and won't be able to fit in Spectral Rider. This is the sideboard I run in my own knight deck, Knight Templar:
3 Disenchant (Because robots exist as do many decks that center around one particular enchantment or artifact)3 Kataki, War's Wage (Because robots is a real deck)3 Leyline of Sanctity (Because burn is a real deck as is VALAKUT/Scapeshift 3 Rest in Peace (Because Living End exists as do decks that rely on Tarmogoyf to win)3 Tectonic Edge (Because Tron exists)
June 21, 2013 5:32 p.m.
Formortiis says... #16
Really? This posting system doesn't realize what a single return carriage means?
June 21, 2013 5:33 p.m.
GoTeamJosh says... #17
Thanks for the sideboard ideas, Formortiis. I currently have Aura of Silence in there but Disenchant would probably work out better for me. I also have Leyline of Sanctity in there even though I do not currently own any.
Tectonic Edge wouldn't have crossed my mind, but it's a good idea. Luckily I have several of those laying around. If you happen to think of any more S/B ideas, they'd be greatly appreciated.June 21, 2013 5:56 p.m.
GoTeamJosh says... #18
I'm thinking about replacing 2x Basilisk Collar with 2x AEther Vial . Any thoughts?
June 28, 2013 10:30 a.m.
Formortiis says... #19
I'm personally not too crazy about AEther Vial. It works in fish because it leaves up counterspell mana, but in knights you don't have to worry about such a thing when your one instant costs 1 mana to cast. It would probably be a good sideboard option against counterspell heavy decks, though.
June 28, 2013 10:33 a.m.
White Knights are my favorite. Great deck, looking forward to see how it plays. Good luck! +1
June 28, 2013 2:37 p.m.
If you're gonna run a monowhite deck, you need 2 Brave the Elements . By doing that, you could take out the 2 Rogue's Passage . They only make one of your Knights unblockable while Brave the Elements makes them all unblockable.
You should also look into Accorder Paladin . It's Battle Cry effect could make your Knights even bigger.
June 28, 2013 2:39 p.m.
Vigilante013 says... #22
Classic and well made Knight's deck. I'd make only one small suggestion: Possibly switch out the basilisk collar and add in 2x Inquisitor's Flail for double damage, and since your knights will be indestructible they can negate its drawback. Just a thought. Its still really good the way it is.
June 28, 2013 3:55 p.m.
Formortiis says... #23
Possibly switch out the basilisk collar and add in 2x Inquisitor's Flail for double damage, and since your knights will be indestructible they can negate its drawback
This is a bad idea because you should never count on Knight Exemplar making your knights indestructible.
June 28, 2013 6:04 p.m.
NotSoLuckyLydia says... #24
I'm still wondering... Ummm... Why is there no Student of Warfare in here? That is the best mono white one drop in modern, ESPECIALLY for a knight. Unless you're a madman, running martyr proc, but you aren't.
June 28, 2013 8:20 p.m.
GoTeamJosh says... #25
The_Wizard - There are actually 4x Student of Warfare in the deck, sir.
Formortiis says... #1
It cost 1 more mana, but i think it accomplishes the job much better.
That's the exact reason you DON'T want to run it over paladin.
Just from playing a Knight deck simular to this I can tell you that Sun Titan is more effective than Emeria, The Sky Ruin .
And I can tell you from playing any aggro deck that you don't want a 6 drop that doesn't win you the game on the spot. Sun Titan is not what you want to run in aggro.
June 20, 2013 6:57 p.m.