After taking with a fellow Wealth player at my local FNM, I've been giving some heavy thought to potentially adding in a Tasigur, the Golden Fang. The driving reason being my friend said "everything in your deck is pure gas and something you'd want back." Get a Wealth back, a removal spell, a planeswalker, draw spells, etc...and Tasigur's big 5-butt can do some blocking as well.

Don't know if he's worth slotting in here, though. This deck has gone through sufficient refinement and it truly is getting harder to make adjustments, as I believe all the right cards are in this deck. But the idea is intriguing and worth consideration.

Ok, I just tested this deck with a one-of Tasigur, the Golden Fang against a UB control deck and O-M-G, this guy is much, much better than I initially gave him credit for when he was initially spoiled. After I got him to stick on the board in Game 3, and the control player ran out of answers, Tasigur just kept on giving and giving. It's wonderful that he doesn't need to tap to activate his ability, allowing me to attack with him AND keep giving me cards in hand. At one point in the game, I was activating him twice per turn....so good.

Consider this deck consists of nothing but pure gas, everything coming back to my hand was pure gold.

I'm now seriously considering making him a 2-of in this deck....so, so good. Really had no idea at first and very happy that I already own 2 of him in actual cards. Need to figure out what to take out to add a second copy of him....or if I should at all. Help is appreciated.

He just blew my mind.

Start with just 1 for now, and consider adding another 1-2 delve cards (Delve allows you to limit your opponent's choices) Logic Knot and Murderous Cut are good candidates.

Also, a default list has emerged.

Yeah, I'll start with one for now.

It's a slippery slope deciding which delve cards are right. Originally, I tried to limit the delve to that I could Dig Through Time when I wanted to. I would hate to Murderous Cut something only to top deck a Dig after I just delved everything away to kill a creature, lol.

To your point about adding delve to limit my opponent's choices though...I think that's what's great about not only Tasigur, but just about everything in this deck...every card in this deck is gas. Nothing would be wasted late game. Even a stupid little caryatid helps me block one more turn or, better, adds one more mana to my next Villainous Wealth. Other than that, it's just removal spells, card draw and Wealth...take yer pick, y'know?

I like the idea of going one for now. My deck's been doing well enough without getting cards back from the 'Yard, so if a one-of like Tasigur gets me even one card back, to me, it's just an added bonus from before.

Perhaps a second Tasigur should find its way into my sideboard...maybe just replacing one Thoughtseize and reducing that sideboard number to 3.

Here's the litmus test. In the most prevalent matchups in your meta, would you be comfortable having 2 of him in your opening hand? my gut feeling is that you might lose games if your hand is clogged with 2 of him. Control lists are usually very comfortable running 1-of's for finishing creatures. I think you just need to focus on your strength (control) and don't get caught up in the value contribution of one card -- besides, you get much less value from the 2nd Tasigur than you do from the 1st.

He's good, but hes still not Kokusho, the Evening Star.

Noted.....good tip.

One it is!

btw....just played against a Sultai 'walkers deck online. I Wealth'd for 11 and I guess he didn't have a counterspell. I thanked him for his Ashiok, Liliana, Jace, Kiora, Nissa and the two Digs....lol

My GOD, I just love this deck to its bones. :)

BTW...just want to again pass this out there - I appreciate ALL of the comments and stuff going on for my deck. It means a lot because they deck has really rooted itself with me for the last 2 months solid. I don't even have a consideration to move away from it and try anything else out in Standard right now. So the more input from awesome people here that help me with this deck, the better y'all make me feel.

Thanks for the time you've taken and will take in talking to me about this deck. Sincerely.

:)

Hey Loco-Motive I played a lot of FNM with this deck, winning almost 4-0 all of them. But the hardest match up was U-B control or Esper control. Any Tips that could help? I know Thoughtseize and Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver are good against them, but i still did pretty poorly. Help!

Are you playing my list exactly or with slight changes?

I will say i don't have your exact list, but very close. I don't have a Ugin or the Tasigur, the Golden Fang. Its the at the end of their turn flash in Dictate of Karametra then they counter or put out there win con and have room for counters. The blue black win con is at instant speed so I cant wait for them to tap out. I guess I just don't know what to sideboard out or in. Sorry this comment is a bit whiny.

Something I've found in my control match-ups, EpicLands, is that I will board OUT my Dictate of Karametra because the last thing you need to give a control opponent is more mana. If they have all the mana available to them and card draw to use that mana, you're setting them up for success.

Side out the Dictates in control matchups. Side in the Negates, the Thoughtseizes, the Ashioks and the Dragons (which have some hexproof protection to an extent).

Hoping you kept Garruk around and forgot your idea to add in Ugin. Garruk allows the deck to operate the same as it ever did however adding ugin requires you to dedicate to either wealth or ugin. Thats gunna be a tough balance.

Garruk kills Ugin all day. He's very viable right now.

But Ugin's so........coooooool.....lol

Wonder if I can find room for both.

Thanks Loco-Motive. Next FNM i will try it. :)

Realistically, you could cut Dictate and just focus on land-drops and control. The only thing Dictate really does is set up a PW early. If you have good control of the game, you may not need to worry about it.

I've certainly entertained that idea, Aezuriel. Two more removal in their place, or two more 'Walkers in their place...?

I've been giving more and more thought to putting Ashiok in the main here... Hmmm...

Thoughts?

Most of the standard lists are running 4x Ashiok. I wouldn't say that you have to do that though. Without dictate, you may want to go to 26 lands just to kind of ensure you have good mana flow. Seaing as you aren't rushing, you could probably lose Carytid for the delve friendly satyr, but theres something to be said about t3 Kiora too.

I'm not sure why you opted to drop Aetherspouts. I would think more mass removal would be better... but then you were sort of rushing with dictate. I would think that Plow Under (or better) at instant speed for attacking creatures was worth Keeping in an aggro heavy meta (especially since it doesn't target).

Another big implication is that dropping Dictate means Wealth isn't as big anymore, and you've already dropped it to 3.

I haven't played the deck as long as you have, so I'm uneasy about giving you specific advice w/o knowing how your matchups are. running. you might have a little too much draw (since charm counts) and a little too much spot removal (but I can see why). Counterspell numbers are ok.

My gut instinct is-2 Dictate-1 Wealth+2 Aetherspouts+1 Land

Test some, and see how it runs, then compare to This

I'll throw together my own list and share what I come up with.

This is probably where I'd starthttp://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-villainous-conspiracy/

Hey there, Aezuriel, as always, thanks for the insight.

I guess what I will struggle with is preserving this deck as a "Wealth deck," y'know? I have a feeling it loses its "wealthiness" by going from 3 Wealths down to 2 of them. In the end, no matter the changes in this deck, I think I would like to keep that number as the constant.

You mentioned not understanding why I would remove lower mass removal by taking out AEtherspouts, but I added Crux of Fate into this deck, in case it missed your notice.

You're right...Caryatids could be dropped though a t3 Kiora really does rock. What I'm finding in a LOT of my match-ups nowadays, though, is that Caryatid and Courser, usually great staples for anti-aggro...I'm finding I'm not A: blocking enough with Caryatid because aggro today grows on the front-end too quickly or unexpectedly, and Courser just dies to Stoke...so it's causing me to question whether I keep the ramp/mana flow of Caryatid/Courser in this deck at all. I, the place of their 7 slots, I could add something like 1 land, 2 Aetherspouts, 1 counterspell and maybe the 3 Ashioks. Going creatureless, more control...I don't know. Thoughts?

I guess where all this is going is that there is a TON of great stuff I can jam into this Sultai...it kinda feels like Abzan in that, I feel, it has a TON of great things I can jam into the deck. I think I've come to a crossroads here where I need to decide on the Courser/Caryatid inclusion, as that decision morphs what this deck wants to do in the early/mid game...

Your, and everyone's thoughts here, have been very helpful. It's been great, as I really have a love and passion about this deck's game play and plan to continue sticking with a Wealth deck for the foreseeable future. I feel like I'm right on the precipice of getting all the pieces where I want it to be. It's been a deck to reckon with at my local shop, so it only emboldens my desire to make it the very best it can be.

speaking from personal experience Aetherspouts is a deadly play in a wealth deck. if they choose to put creatures to the top you can wealth on the heels of that on your untap and recur everything they just tried to save to the topdeck. Sure it only usually works once but it is very sly and most people dont figure it out until you wealth.

Hmmm....PreZchoICE1 and Aezuriel, with the addition of Crux of Fate and a potential re-inclusion of AEtherspouts, what are your thoughts of moving the 3 Bile Blight to the sideboard in favor of adding 2 AEtherspouts and potentially another versatile Charm?

Reason behind it...Bile can be narrow and, sometimes, against an Abzan deck, which is quite prevalent, can be almost useless. Bile would be a lot more helpful if I didn't have access to Crux of Fate. Thoughts?

Also, in regard to Bile Blight in my recent experiences with Jeskai tokens and aggro, with the Ascendancy out and prowess/+1+1 triggers stacking, sometimes those weenies grow out of range of Bile...

Aetherspouts, though, doesn't care...

I saw the inclusion of Crux right before you cut Aetherspouts. I just thought that the format was aggressive enough to warrant running both.

If bile blight isn't performing, it makes perfect sense to use that card slot for something else. I think that is a meta call however and leave it to your judgement. If you are going to change your mana Package, you almost certainly want to swap Caryatid for Wayfinder 4x4.

I feel there is good value in having Caryatid and Courser in the deck however. t3/4 ramps can have a very good effect on your tempo, and they make good blockers early. Courser screams advantage in a land heavy control deck especially with Kiora. If you were going for a more delve heavy build, I would say drop them... but I think they are strong enough to keep on their own.

I wouldn't call 2x wealth in a draw heavy control deck a weak showing. Rather you are minimizing dead cards in hand until you have the mana to dig for them and cast them for a substantial X. You could even call them a double win con -- win with stuff from your opponent's deck, or deck them (with help from Ashiok). Dare I say, if you end up vs. my other favorite deck at the moment -- Temur Ascendancy, you could really screw them by stalling the game, and then Wealthing their combo onto your side of the field.

This biggest advice I can offer at this point is to pay close attention to the numbers in my list. Theres a little creativity there (like counting UGIN and Garruk as both win-cons and Removal Spells). But the takeaway there is that the slots are pretty refined. If you want to take out removal try to replace it with another form of removal, etc. It may seem elementary, but deck flow is extremely important considering how fragile control is in this format. Perhaps the most important thing is to avoid the temptation of cutting lands. a Carytid is no replacement for a land drop especially in a control deck. I would run 26 lands or more if I felt I had the slots -- just because land drops are so important, and because Courser+Kiora gives you combo nice with a high land count -- and Charm is nice remedy to mana flood if you get hit really bad.

I would love to check out your list, bit both times you've linked to it, it goes nowhere.

Can you correct it?