Kiora's Villainous Issues (44-25-3 @ FNM)

Modern* Loco-Motive

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Aezuriel says... #1

I guess I have to make it public... editing now.

January 30, 2015 2:35 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #2

LOL

January 30, 2015 3:33 p.m.

Aezuriel says... #3

I thought I could share a private deck with a link. My bad.

January 30, 2015 3:52 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #4

Aezuriel, PreZchoICE1,

Just did some testing against 4 other opponents...2 Jeskai aggro, an Abzan midrange and a Mardu midrange.

I am SO sorry I took out AEtherspouts. LOL

I removed the 3 Bile Blight from the main and replaced them with 2 AEtherspouts and 1 Hero's Downfall to round out the full playset of 4. Much, much more versatile than Bile and, as I thought, some of my Jeskai matches, the creatures/tokens grew too big for Bile to be effective, but Aetherspouts worked JUST fine. Really helped Kiora ultimate off more consistently as well.

NOW, with more cards that stave off damage and attack, I actually played all 4 matches without a Dictate of Karametra -ever- coming into my hand. However, the matches went long enough where by the time I felt it was right to Wealth, I was Wealthing for x=6 or 9...which I find acceptable. I say this because....I was OK with that, lol. AND I didn't have the sometimes downside of giving my opponent more mana as well.

NOW, I'm thinking of even removing the two Dictate of Karametra for additional control cards...or even throwing in 2 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver....which would start to see this deck take on a more Sultai Planeswalker approach of control along with the Villiainous Wealth finisher...while my opponent also has to content with planeswalker finishers as well.

Thoughts? I -almost- feel like there's a sense of freedom removing the Dictates from my deck....

January 30, 2015 4:10 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #5

Or even just up the counterspells by 2.....

January 30, 2015 4:15 p.m.

PreZchoICE1 says... #6

I cosign the changes so far, Bile should be in the side

so now you wanna remove dictates and i think thats fine so long as your only consideration for a replacement is Frontier Siege

January 30, 2015 4:16 p.m.

PreZchoICE1 says... #7

I would even go so far as to say you could go down to 2 Bile Blight and 3 Drown in Sorrow giving you room for another couple pieces in the board.

January 30, 2015 4:18 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #8

Hmmm....just for the one side of the Siege, though? I'll never have a flier outside of my 2 dragons in the sideboard...

If I were to get rid of Dictates, essentially sacrificing sick extra mana ramp in favor of an enchantment that gives me 2G each phase....I dunno, I think the Dictates for this deck would be better. If it's something that gives me some minimal mana each phase, I'd almost say a better replacement than the Siege would be a 1-of Kruphix, God of Horizons to bank the mana as I go through turn after turn....?

Am I not seeing something you are?

January 30, 2015 4:21 p.m.

PreZchoICE1 says... #9

Ashiok can be great or a big distraction for you. I wouldnt get too ambitious about going walker control, tbh. I'd like to tell you to replace the 3x Coursers with 3 more Tasigur, simply because I like Tasigurs card advantage much more than I like Courser's card advantage.

January 30, 2015 4:21 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #10

2x Bile and 3x Drown in the SB = check

January 30, 2015 4:22 p.m.

PreZchoICE1 says... #11

just to choose khans 99% of the time. There's enough here (especially once tasigur is in play) that you'll very rarely not use the mana it provides to you, and it gives you reduction on the cost of a wealth which we like. It might not be the right fit completely for a deck with such a heavy control element but it certainly wont be worse than dictate, many times it will be better. Just remember you can get mana from it twice a turn once at start of first main phase, once at start of second main phase.

January 30, 2015 4:26 p.m.

PreZchoICE1 says... #12

Im playing Abzan Aggro at a big tournament tomorrow with Wingmate Roc at the top of my curve. Nevertheless Im going to run a miser's Windstorm in the sideboard. I think the presence of Dragons is too much to just completely ignore.

January 30, 2015 4:30 p.m.

PreZchoICE1 says... #13

I should also touch on why Im not in favor with Courser of Kruphix right now: He offers too much information about what is coming to your opponent. If they are running thoughtseize you basically have no element of surprise at all because they know your hand, and whats coming off the topdeck. When you're using stuff like Wealth and Spouts their biggest value is going to be their surprise factor when theyre played. By having courser already in play you basically give them a whole turn to prepare for what you're going to do.

Example you have courser in the board- revealing wealth on the top deck. You cast tasigur. they have a lone counter they consider using, then re-check the topdeck and save it to stop your wealth instead. Although this could turn out in your situation it is a closet case but just shows you a small example of how courser can also play against you.

January 30, 2015 4:34 p.m.

Aezuriel says... #14

Ashiok is about distraction. If they don't kill him, you start using their creatures against them. Having 5 counters when he comes down makes him hard to get rid of early, making his most common use case, 2 turns of fog. You are ok with that because you just want the land drops anyways. Late game he can be a win condition. I'm not oversold on planeswalkers, so if you want something else in that slot you can do it. Just make sure you know what you are replacing, and choose carefully.

Dictate doesn't need to be replaced with ramp. Your play matches mine. As long as you have good control, your land drops work just fine. Use those 2 slots to flesh out the other pieces of your deck.

January 30, 2015 4:34 p.m.

Aezuriel says... #15

Card advantage by pulling lands off the top tends to outweigh the information trade from Courser. Alternately... I want other decks to have to consider counterspells and kill spells they see flowing into my hand. The longer the game goes, the better off I am.

January 30, 2015 4:37 p.m.

PreZchoICE1 says... #16

Ashiok is great for you in the early game only. You're not a U/B hard control list so you can forget about anything late game with Ashiok is a build like this. When I say it can be a distraction it provides lines you dont want to be thinking about when piloting a wealth deck, if you draw it say on turn 6 or 7.

For Ashiok to be great in the early game you have to run 4 copies of him, otherwise your chances of him being great in the early game are decreased signficantly.

January 30, 2015 4:40 p.m.

PreZchoICE1 says... #17

Aezuriel I understand what you're saying- thinning the deck, however you're achieving the same exact thing with tasigur except you choose to do that on their end step, allowing you to keep up counterspell mana. The difference between seeing a card all the time as opposed to during one step may seem insignificant but it's not. Courser allows you to filter lands- Tasigur allows you to filter the deck, and that difference, though it may be more costly, will go much much further to helping you to win and minimizing the help you give to your opponent.

January 30, 2015 4:43 p.m.

EpicLands says... #18

 Here are some of my thoughts.....

I love how you put back the AEtherspouts, but I really love the Bile Blight. bile Blight is really good against all kinda of Aggro, U/W heroic, and Empty the Pits.How much I like Dictate of Karametra, I think it should come out, or you could replace one Dictate of Karametra for a tutor like Liliana Vess. She would not only be able to get your Dictate but also hand Destruction.Kruphix, God of Horizons Would be devastating against control matches, so maybe one or two sideboard.

January 30, 2015 4:56 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #19

LOL, I would still LOVE to see this deck of your, Aezuriel!!!

I used to run 1 Kruphix God and 1 Dictate...just to mix it up. I still think that a 1-of Kruphix God would benefit my deck better than half a Siege.

I could remove both Dictates in favor of 1 God (to bank mana and, on rare occasions, go live with Kiora,Coursers and Caryatids in play) and 1 additional, say, counterspell (I think I have enough death and destruction in this main board). OR, instead of a God or an additional counterspell, perhaps just a second Tasigur, of which I'm fortunate enough to own.

Caryatids and Coarsers should stay to smooth out my draws, get the lands in play faster, which filters my good stuff in the deck to me sooner. I'm always ok with the top card reveal. Honestly, call me sadistic...but I love the look my opponent has on his face when they see a Wealth revealed. With Garruk back in the lineup and possible t3 Kioras, Wealth isn't the only wincon here anymore.

And hey, EpicLands, I hear ya on how Bile is great against Aggro, U/W herioc and Empty the Pits. I took those into consideration. However, through testing and actual FNMs this past month, what I see in those matchups were Bile "sometimes" works is:

Aggro: Takes care of the Hordeling Outburst that they cast, but they still have their Foundry Street Denizen, Monastery Swiftspear and Seeker of the Way out there.

U/W Herioc: MAN, I'm getting tired of getting burned by their Feat of Resistance and Gods Willing. Those decks don't use kill spells, but they have a ton of protection. AEtherspouts and Crux of Fate get around that.

Empty the Pits: Have yet to see one at my FNM, so that's the only reason I don't consider it yet. If someone Emptied me in Game 1, then yes, Bile come in for Game 2.

I don't think I'm too uncomfortable putting Bile in the side I think...

January 30, 2015 5:11 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #20

Doing some cursory review of 2 cards that could replace the slots taken up by Dictate of Karametra:

1 - PreZchoICE1, you brought up Frontier Siege, but what about Monastery Siege. That's a Siege that has two modes I could actually benefit from, given the situation...

2 - Silence the Believers - as a 1-of, so I can likely get it mid-game where I can get a second value from it than just targeting 1 creature...

3 - What do you guys think of Reality Shift as cheap removal...though it does leave a 2/2...

4 - And lastly, I always thought it was kinda kitschy, but Gild??? Exile a creature AND give me a mana? lol...I know it's sorcery speed and a little suckier than Silence, but it IS kinda on-theme with the deck...lol

January 30, 2015 5:26 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #21

And by the way, guys, I LOVE and APPRECIATE the comments you've taken the time to leave here. I'm taking all of them into heavy consideration so I want to make sure you know I am grateful for the input and participation here. Really.

January 30, 2015 5:27 p.m.

EpicLands says... #22

Yea I see that now Loco-Motive. Now i agree with you. Thanks for the Response. :)

January 30, 2015 5:28 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #23

Thank YOU for the response!

January 30, 2015 5:29 p.m.

PreZchoICE1 says... #24

oh Gild. :) such a fun little card. If you werent running Siege and you were insistent on keeping Courser, I would just add more Tasigur. I honestly feel that wealth fits so well with him theme and flavorwise. he lets you fill the yard and then devastate them when they overextend with Villainous Wealth. I firmly believe that a good control shell with those two will be deadly in standard.

Beyond that my last suggestion would be more Murderous Cuts to fill in the gaps between the Crux

Always appreciate getting feedback on ideas never upset about a back and forth, after all it isn't my deck. Perhaps someone else reads it and agrees with me, perhaps not. :)

January 30, 2015 6:06 p.m.

Loco-Motive says... #25

Hmmm, so Prez, you're thinking -2 Dictates, +1 Tasigur and +1 Murderous Cut?

January 30, 2015 6:11 p.m.

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