One of the most crazy things you can do with this chick is a) blow up all land with kaalia on board or b) take multiple combat steps. Doubling up means 2 fatties a turn. Check out my list kaalia, DIY cheating

Thanks for the comment. I'm not really a fan of mass Land destruction. I feel that it takes away from the fun of the game and not really "in the spirit of EDH". Running such cards, while undeniably effective, would probably leave me without people to play against while using this deck. My EDH playgroup is fairly small and pretty casual based. I already have a reasonably competitive Sharuum combo v9.9999... deck that I reserve for those sort of games.

I do like the idea of multiple combat steps though. I originally ran World at War but replaced it when I managed to trade for a foil Aurelia, the Warleader . I'm still testing Aurelia at the minute though. I have thought about adding a Sword of Feast and Famine as well as a Hellkite Charger and Aggravated Assault , while adding a couple of extra tutors (probably card:Steelshaper's Gift for budget constraints) for help find these cards.

What my real problem is with the deck currently is running out of fuel for Kaalia. While I'm reasonably happy with the "speed" of the deck, a lot of the time I'll find myself able to get a turn 2 or 3 Kaalia, but without anything to put into play with her. Basically, I'm looking for some ideas on how to increase my draw in the deck, preferably repeatable, for example, Phyrexian Arena . Or alternatively, what cards would you suggest to cut so as to increase my threat count?

Thanks for your time and comment again! :)

Thanks for the comment. I'm not really a fan of mass Land destruction. I feel that it takes away from the fun of the game and not really "in the spirit of EDH". Running such cards, while undeniably effective, would probably leave me without people to play against while using this deck. My EDH playgroup is fairly small and pretty casual based. I already have a reasonably competitive Sharuum combo v9.9999... deck that I reserve for those sort of games.

I do like the idea of multiple combat steps though. I originally ran World at War but replaced it when I managed to trade for a foil Aurelia, the Warleader . I'm still testing Aurelia at the minute though. I have thought about adding a Sword of Feast and Famine as well as a Hellkite Charger and Aggravated Assault , while adding a couple of extra tutors (probably card:Steelshaper's Gift for budget constraints) for help find these cards.

What my real problem is with the deck currently is running out of fuel for Kaalia. While I'm reasonably happy with the "speed" of the deck, a lot of the time I'll find myself able to get a turn 2 or 3 Kaalia, but without anything to put into play with her. Basically, I'm looking for some ideas on how to increase my draw in the deck, preferably repeatable, for example, Phyrexian Arena . Or alternatively, what cards would you suggest to cut so as to increase my threat count?

Thanks for your time and comment again! :)

Does anyone know how to delete posts yourself? Accidental double post and I'd rather not have it clogging up the comments section. Any help would be great!

I like Hellkite Tyrant in this deck, and also for drawing maybe Greed or Necropotence

I haven't been able to pick up a Hellkite Tyrant yet, although there's fairly cheap. I don't know if he's really worth it though. Any experiences with how good he is? I'd Imagine most of the time he's just a 6/5 beater.

Necropotence is a good call. Same for Greed . Greed seems stronger to me as I can see what I'm drawing and dont have the downside of exile. Plus is easier to bring online without Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth .

Thanks for the suggestions!

It may be different in your playgroup, but with mine, everyone runs Sol Ring , card:Sensei's Divining Top, and various mana rocks, so i think it'll offer you some extra artifacts, and you are running a pretty large number yourself, so i would assume that if you play against the right deck, it's not an unreasonable win condition.

i agree, i've always liked Greed better, but if you want to fill your hand, Necropotence does the job

If it's draw power you need check out Howling Mine Anvil of Bogardan and Font of Mythos . These are all consistent artifact draw. Yes they are symmetrical draw but you will do far more with the cards. Other options are Seizan, Perverter of Truth and Bloodgift Demon . Definitely play the Hellkite Tyrant , you would ne amazed how many artifacts people play. If your looking for other ideas check out my list @ kaalia, DIY cheating.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Those are some really good ideas. But now the eternal question, what to drop to fit these cards in? Also, I've been convinced about the Hellkite Tyrant . I'll be looking to pick one up to fit in here.

Talking of fitting cards in, I managed to finally trade for a Lord of the Void today. What are people's opinions of this card? I think it could be powerful if a little situational. Not having Trample hurts him though I think, but he's still got reasonable evasion, and a 7/7 body is nothing to scoff at.

I'm not really looking for symmetrical draw, although thanks for the input. I already face tough and fast decks (Azusa, Lost but Seeking and Animar, Soul of Elements mainly, as well as a new guy starting with a Ruhan of the Fomori deck). Giving them extra cards when they have the means to use them far quicker than I do would be a bad idea I think.

Hey man, looks like a really solid deck :)Always good to see people playing RWB :)I would write out suggestions, but its easier if you have a browse over my Tariel edh Tariel, Haunter of Graves and see if theres things in there that you may not have thought of, like Utvara Hellkite would work well here :)

Hope you find something help there, nd any feedback on my deck would be appreciated :)

Right guys, got some new trades done recently. I managed to trade up my regular Lord of the Void for a foil one, so I desperately want to use him (also, because he's really cool and still relatively untested yet). I now also have a Hellkite Tyrant that you guys recommended.

Now my main problem is what to take out to add these new cards in. The "maybe" board that I have up is full of good things I'd like to put in. Sun Titan is a particular favourite of mine (along with his best bro: Necrotic Sliver , but he's not mandatory) and the Mordant Dragon is additional removal.

I'm leaning on taking out Swiftfoot Boots . With the extra equipment tutors I cramed in (Enlightened Tutor and card:Steelshaper's Gift), I'm more confident of hitting the equipment that I need, and having the extra redunancy is a little wasted now. I've had a few games with both the Boots and Lightning Greaves in my hand and the Boots is just a dead card in this senario. Replacing the Boots with Sun Titan means I'll be able to bring back the Greaves unless they're exiled. I still have Hall of the Bandit Lord and Fervor for granting me haste.

Are there any other cards people can suggest to remove and what they'd replace with in the Maybeboard?

Thanks!

one card would really capitalize itself in a Kalia deck; Strionic Resonator , also Admonition Angel and Moonveil Dragon and Master of Cruelties are awesome for this deck aswell. and also you are missing alot of premier removal cards Swords to Plowshares . Dreadbore . Terminate . and Go for the Throat

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Strionic Resonator is really cool for Kaalia decks, but in my opinion, will just commit me into overextending, so the first Wrath of God that hits the table, will sweep all my creatures away most of the time.

Admonition Angel was originally in the first build of this deck. But without a lot of fetchlands and Crucible of Worlds to really abuse her ability, she was a little lackluster. Not to mention an easy target for removal. Angel of Serenity does most of the work Admonition Angel used to do and gives my opponents tempo loss if she gets killed.

Moonveil Dragon would be a decent addition. However, it's finding which cards to cut to add him in. Additionally, I feel like I'm a little light on Red mana sources to really abuse his ability.

Master of Cruelties I've flat out refused to include. My EDH playgroup is fairly casual, to a point. And putting the Master in with Kaalia basically says to whoever I'm attacking "do you have a piece of Instant speed removal or a blocker? No? GG". It just gives massive bad feels to whoever I knock out early and a bitter taste in their mouth. It's hardly a fun game if this guy and Kaalia double team to knock you out in the first 5 turns or so before anything interesting happens.

Out of the removal spells you suggested, the only one I might consider would be Dreadbore , due to it's multipurpose or Swords to Plowshares for it's exile effect. But Planeswalkers rarely offer any resistance to this deck anyway, and I'm not that keen on giving my opponents life when I already have to chew through multiple cases of 40 life as it is. I already have lots of removal stapled to some of my creatures anyway: Angel of Despair , Angel of Serenity , Balefire Dragon , Bogardan Hellkite , Rakdos the Defiler , Scourge of Kher Ridges , Shadowborn Demon and Steel Hellkite .

Thank you for your helpful comment though :).

If you run Boros Charm , Ghostway , and Avacyn, Angel of Hope especially with your tutors you will have enough protection from wrath effects to run the amazing Strionic Resonator

Hmm... Maybe you're right D3fied. What would you suggest to cut then, to fit in a copy of Ghostway and Strionic Resonator ?

Wayfarer's Bauble , and Rakdos the Defiler are my first choices, the Bauble is good but you have plenty of artifact based ramp it just seems like the worst one. also Rakdos is risky, it is awesome when he enters and hits because you haven't sac'ed anything yet, but after that he seems like you are loosing alot of board presence for little gain, and one offs are never that good. Also i would remove Rakdos Charm for Rest in Peace , it is less color intensive hits everyone, and if it matters to the opponent then it makes them waste their enchantment removal. Also if you can get your hands on it I would remove Talisman of Indulgence for Land Tax . In addition if you want more protection from board whips Legion's Initiative is good, I would probably take out Sun Titan because he doesn't synergies with Kaalia of the Vast , and your curve doesn't provide a way to abuse his abilities.

Also, Staff of Nin is definitely not your best option for draw, you could easily use Scroll Rack , Sensei's Divining Top or Underworld Connections , and with Strionic Resonator you will need more draw to get fatties into your hand.

A turn 1 Wayfarer's Bauble allows me to hit a turn 3 Kaalia. It's really good for tempo and to power out Kaalia of the Vast before my opponents are ready for her. And it works really well with Sun Titan . Same goes for Talisman of Indulgence vs Land Tax . While I appreciate that the 'Tax is a far more powerful card, it doesn't actually ramp me, just ensure my land drops.

Rakdos the Defiler is too powerful to remove. Being able to avoid his attack trigger while still hitting my opponent provides so much value. He's pretty much a one sided boardwipe. While his value does diminish after the first swing, I can usually sacrifice lands and still keep pumping out creatures with Kaalia herself.

Rest in Peace is too counter productive to my deck. My high value and fat creatures means that turning off my graveyard completely is too much of a loss to take. All my dudes are prime removal targets. Removing any sort of way of bringing them back through reanimation would cause this deck to run out of steam far quicker. Also, the multipurpose of Rakdos Charm more than makes up for it's one time effect. "That's a nice bunch of Plants from Avenger of Zendikar or Squirrels from Squirrel Nest or even Pestermite with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker you have there". Avenger + Craterhoof Behemoth is very popular with the green mages in my area and I have actually won games with the Charm when people produce infinite tokens. And the Smelt mode is just icing on the cake.

If I was going to run mass GY exile, I'd much rather use Leyline of the Void as it doesn't hit me and I can effectively play it for free.

While you're correct that Sun Titan doesn't synergise with Kaalia herself, he's just a really useful creature to include. He allows me to recycle my "fetch lands", and my destroyed artifacts (equipment mainly). He has lost some usefulness when I removed Oblivion Ring , but he's still really good. Sun Titan was in my first draft of this deck when I originally put it together a long time ago, then he got cut for the exact reasons you stated. However, virtually every game afterwards, I found I was wishing he was still in there so I added him back in. He's not an all-star of the deck, but the extra utility he offers makes up for it.

The options you listed for replacing Staff of Nin don't actually draw me any extra cards through, they just give me card quality. This deck is filled with reasonably powerful cards anyway. It's extra raw draw I need, not selection. The only one I could consider would be Underworld Connections . But this deck is quite mana hungry, so it's use will likely be limited. Additionally, mono-Blue/Black decks struggle for Artifact removal, while every colour can run Strip Mine , Wasteland and the like.

I do appreciate the effort and time you're taking to comment on the deck though D3fied.

Thinking about Legion's Initiative , I'd rather run that over Ghostway . I still get to dodge Wraths, it boosts (some of) my team, and without a Sunforger and Mistveil Plains package, I only get one use out of Ghostway anyway.

Well then my second choices are Deathless Angel and Quicksilver Amulet

Deathless Angel is good, but with all of your tutors and the fact that Avacyn, Angel of Hope is your usual tutor target and is infinity better then Deathless Angel , she becomes obsolete, and therefore a dead draw. Also she is very heavy on white and it will require you to pick and chose what you want to save, and you can only save half as much creatures as you have white mana open (if that makes sense).

Quicksilver Amulet , also a good card, can get really awesome if you are running no easier way to cheat out big creatures from your hand, but you are running an easier way, and all in all, Strionic Resonator would be perfect to take the amulet out for, because it will provide you with the way to get those fatties out for a cheaper price and they will also come out tapped and attacking, there are only 3 creatures (Karmic Guide , Mikaeus, the Unhallowed , and Sun Titan ) in your deck that benefit from the lower casting cost and your max profit off of the amulet is saving yourself 2 mana, and it being only counter-able by Stifle , Azorius Guildmage , and Voidslime , but even then you need both the amulet and the other creatures and and the rare situational-ness of the amulet being useful also makes it a dead draw.

I'm a big fan of the Strionic Resonator , and Illusionist's Bracers , I find that Illusionist's Bracers is an all star in my Mayael the Anima EDH: Mayael, the Chubby Chaser

if ur still looking for card draw Knollspine Dragon is good and he works with aurelia real well if u play him during ur second attack phase

D3fied:

I agree about Deathless Angel . She is probably one of the weakest of all my creatures, simply because she's outclassed by other options. I would like to replace her, but replace her with some other piece of fat for Kaalia to cheat in, or more drawing power. She's not always obsolete with Avacyn, Angel of Hope out, as she still has a respectable body for her cost, and if Kaalia dies, she is good just to hardcast. Not to mention, temporary alliances that can be built by using her ability on my opponents creatures. Also, combos with my opponents Phantasmal Image s.

Quicksilver Amulet on the other hand is definitely staying. While it is true, it's easier to dump things out with Kaalia herself, it's not always possible to do that. Path to Exile , Putrefy and even Lightning Bolt are all good spells to target her before she has a chance to do anything. Having the Amulet in there is almost my backup Kaalia. If Kaalia dies, I can still get a turn 5 Iona, Shield of Emeria or Scourge of Kher Ridges . And 2 of those 3 counters you listed can counter Kaalia's own triggered ability anyway. Keeping the Amulet in diversifies my threats. While the Strionic Resonator is really good, if Kaalia gets Hinder 'd or Condemn 'd, the Resonator looses a lot of it's value. It only works well with around a dozen of my creatures, while Quicksilver Amulet works well with all of them.

I do agree about Illusionist's Bracers though. When they got spoiled I could tell they were designed with EDH in mind and had possible combos written all over them.

Krulle:

I am looking for more card draw, and while I appreciate your comment, I'm afraid Knollspine Dragon won't really fit in this deck. The fact that he triggers only AFTER damage has been dealt, limits his use to being hardcasted in Main Phase 2 majority of the time. Which, if it isn't immediately apparent, this deck is trying to avoid unless necessary :P.

Thank you both for your input though :).

You are a very hard person to help!! I guess it is up to you what you want to take out, maybe a land, but that is kindof risky with your curve, or Wheel of Fortune , or Dawn Charm , but I personally liked the charm, and cards that are better then deathless angel are Akroma, Angel of Wrath and the awesome divine vs demonic promo is nice, or Angel of Jubilation is an amazing answer to many decks, Basandra, Battle Seraph is another good choice, Linvala, Keeper of Silence is also a great answer to things, and worth considering. Now onto dragons, there aren't many worth including that you don't already have, but Thundermaw Hellkite is good and isnt hard to cast without Kalia, but is quite the surprise if you do. also Yosei, the Morning Star isn't a bad card but I think Thundermaw is better.And on the demon front there is just Master of Cruelties but you don't like him.

You should think about foiling the deck out, also, just seeing how many foils you have