Hallowed fountain should be tundra (I don't own a tundra but that's the optimal card. Side note, that's the only card I don't own above that's 'better' than the replacement).

Need to test survival and alter of bone.

Also considering adding aven mindcensor... while at first glance seems out of place, it's impact to tempo is likely comparable to a double time walk (and so many ways to find it). In an already fast deck a turn 2 mindcensor seems especially strong. If this makes the main deck an even stronger case can be made for survival of the fittest.

Evasive action and Arcane denial should probably be replaced by Mana leak and another counter, maybe unsubstantiate. Leak costs 3 extra no matter the condition, and unsubstantiate gets around cards that cannot be countered, (abrupt decay) or it can bounce a creature if need be.

Good call IronBlackZepp. I've made the change to remove evasive action long ago for prohibit as most spells you want to counter cost 2 mana or less (except FOW). But it might be cut altogether for survival. Still testing as its the weakest counter.

Good call IronBlackZepp. I've made the change to remove evasive action long ago for prohibit as most spells you want to counter cost 2 mana or less (except FOW). But it might be cut altogether for survival. Still testing as its the weakest counter (along with spell pierce).

Hi can you please explain the game plan and win cons? Thanks!

The deck wins by milling library into graveyard via three different combos and flashes back dread return targeting the angel to return lab man and hapless researcher to win.

If you don’t mind me asking, what are the combos?

Hermit Druid, cephalid illusionist and nomads en-cor, and protean hulk and flash to find the above combo with grand abolisher.

I think the next improvement is adding survival and aven mindcensor. While mindcensor is reactive disruption it’s potency shuts down the table to allow time for building proactive counters/disruption. It’s also survival fodder to find hulk or the illusionist and En-cor. Weak links to be cut are between prohibit, spell pierce, and maybe a G elf.

Thoughts?

I think I may cut Altar of Bone for Survival. Maybe...is just a better tutor.

I recent cut Delay for Mana Drain, myself.

Hi hurricane219, the mana from mana drain is nice to power thrasios, ad nauseum, or power a tutor chain. I'd prefer drain over delay too but as an offensive counterspell when going off I have difficulties with the mana base supporting at least three blue (one U for flash in addition to drain). With the 13 counterspells its not uncommon to have two or more in hand when going off which requires a fourth blue with mana drain. Do you have any suggestions on how to play drain or the mana base above?

I must admit, I don't like Delay as a counterspell and was looking for a card to cut for it. I like Mana Drain better as it can help fuel the cards you've noted. Also, yes the 3 blue mana can be intense, but your mana base has the lands to support it. The most common lands I fetch for are Underground Sea and Tropical Island. Also, the sheer number of 'rainbow' lands can help offset the costs. I feel like, the way our decks are built, the Drain is a more offensive counter. I could see it countering a threat from an opponent, such as a tax effect or a reanimated fattie. If we're playing defense with it, things aren't looking good for a win. I know this is getting ramble-y, but I hope it makes sense.

Also, Altar hit the cutting room floor for Survival.

I love your deck and the portion of the meta our decks inhabit. I'm still kinda cool on the 'new' Breakfast Hulk. Though I am watching games on youtube (from the Mystic Remoras and others I can find from the cEDH pickups).

Makes sense and in your version, which is quite similar, powering a twister with drain mana is a good outlet (and actually makes twister really good... my thoughts on twister are above).

I agree and love our builds of breakfast! And as for breakfast hulk each day I like it less and less mostly due to the stax hate that shuts down the combo (which are repetitive and numerous... trinisphere, sphere, thorn, arcane lab, rule of law, leyline, crypt, etc). Our builds shrug off all of those while breakfast hulk can't win while there on the table. Unfortunately breakfast hulk also has an equal amount of 'dead' cards so with hate and dead cards I don't see a benefit to playing it over our builds.

Are you testing anything new or finding any "fat" as it were? The most recent change I've made is Arbor Elf for Auriok Salvagers. The reason why is that there are just so many combos in the deck add it is and the Elf will help with mana.

I like that change! An elf that can produce U is strong. With Salvagers gone what are you doing with LED?

I need to update the latest changes here which includes adding survival of the fittest. Always open to new suggestions and looking for tech...

LED is still in the deck because down the Hermit Druid and Flash Hulk lines, it allows me to cast Lab Man.

I'm always on the hunt for me tech as well, lol.

I'm thinking Autumn's Veil for Angel's Grace. Thoughts? It would help Ad Naus lines.

On its own angel’s grace could buy an extra turn against most combo decks and as you mentioned is game winning when cast with ad naus. However, by itself it’s very defensive and that reactiveness doesn’t win the game or progress the game plan. With ad naus it’s total CC is very expensive without artifacts and spells like mana vault, dark ritual, etc. I’d say angel’s grace is meta dependent.

Thank you. I changed it back. I don't get to play nearly as much in paper as I'd like and I spend (too much) time looking for cards to change to make my beloved deck the best it can be. I don't really like Shuffle or Sacred Hulk, so I want to have the "leanest brunch" (see what I did there?) that I can. I really enjoy our messages back and forth., lol.

I've been thinking a lot about Git Probe recently. Do you think our deck needs it? I'm thinking no...but it was in earlier variants of the deck.

I hope you're well and I'm excited to see how you evolve and improve the deck.

Gitaxian probe is always an ok card (and never dead) and occasionally great when learning opponent information like if they’ll combo next turn or holding a counterspell to stop us. It would be great more often if it was designed to be a multiplayer card instead of targeting a single opponent. For these reasons it can be a toss up whether to run probe.

Life’s been busy lately and hopefully I’ll have more time to play test and check out your deck soon.

So, the great Muldrotha experiment is over. I've found the Hermit Druid wins to be clunky with it, as sometimes I lack a draw spell and to pass, b/c I've used my land drop. I'm on the Angel of Glory's Rise plan, now. :)

It’s an efficient kill and more difficult to disrupt i.e sphere effects. Thanks for the update.