Leeching Cotton: Oloro's Couch
Commander / EDH
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MrHighscore says... #2
Thank you for the feedback.
- There are no mill decks in my meta (besides my own) so I did not cover that angle. I should, so I will add a Kozilek, Butcher of Truth to my sideboard.
@mackie11:
- You are right, it is a good combo with Moat + Mystic Decree . I don't think Mystic Decree does enough on its own and I'd rather run a tax effect I know work on everything.
- Power Sink is always awesome. I would prefer to run some hard counters before adding it (e.g., Counterspell) but I find it very hard to find room for them. Also I will tutor for Land Equilibrium when I can early game, so that part of my plan does not go well with Power Sink.
- I'm trying to keep it enchantment heavy (even considering dropping Academy Rector due to him beeing a creature, he is hard to kill, and I have other cards that shut him down like Humility and Rest in Peace. Regarding transmute, there is not a lot of cards that I would like to have in the deck besides Muddle the Mixture (all ready in) and Tolaria West (on it's way in). Are there some good (non-creature) transmutes that I am missing?
Cheers
May 29, 2016 3:37 a.m.
MrHighscore says... #3
I have given this some more thought and decided on the following changeset to the deck
Changes
- Celestial Dawn --> Leyline of the Void: When needed versus Blood Moon I can bring it in from the sideboard. Leyline of the Void acts as a double for Rest in Peace and works nicely with Replenish that I will also bring in.
- Leyline of Sanctity --> Righteous Aura: I made the reverse swap a while ago, as a counter to spells that I can't protect aginst. I think that Righteous Aura will be the best all round choice, and then Leyline of Sanctity can be brought in to protect aginst dedicated burn decks.
- Necropotence --> Replenish: I am sad to see this go, but Necropotence I guess I'd rather see a Replenish most of the time. Also the argument about Mindslaver can kill me in one turn if I have Necropotence on the field.
- No Mercy --> Opalescence: Sort of a meh card changed into a glorious win condition.
- Plains --> Wasteland: Nuff said.
- Telepathy --> Soothsaying: This is a bit controversial. Both cards are sub-optimal choices. I love Telepathy for its warning and the discord it brings to the table. But in reality it does not do much. Soothsaying is bit worse than Sensei's Divining Top, but since it is an enchantment I'll take it out for a spin!
- Underground River --> Tolaria West: Fetch the land (or Pact of Negation) I need. Nuff said.
Sideboard
- Celestial Dawn: Versus Blood Moon
- Counterspell: The deck is in dire need for more counter spells. I just don't want to take out any cards :) It's good to have lying around if I feel like I need it.
- Dovescape: For fun games when playing in low power environments.
- Enduring Ideal: For fun games when playing in low power environments. Or if I just feel like being silly.
- Kozilek, Butcher of Truth: Bring in versus mill.
- Leyline of Sanctity: Bring in versus burn.
- Mindbreak Trap: More control. Not sure it should be this guy.
- Necropotence: Just parked here for a while. I need to test if I can live without it.
- Aura Thief: Too slow and unreliable, but fun. I'm not really ready to let him go.
- High Market: Better chance to use Aura Thief and Academy Rector
I'll update deck and description shortly.
Cheers
May 29, 2016 6:03 a.m.
If i'm not mistaken, Righteous Aura does not stop Exsanguinate.
Cool deck, love the flavor.
May 29, 2016 7:57 a.m.
MrHighscore says... #5
@Bovine073 You are right. I'll update description. Thank you!
Cheers
May 29, 2016 9:33 a.m.
How useful has Leyline of Anticipation been treating you? What cards do you normally flash in?
June 2, 2016 12:50 a.m.
MrHighscore says... #9
- I do have a Daxos the Returned deck in the making (Daxos' Enchanted Spirits) but he is not for this deck. He is a creature and he makes creature, and I do what I can to make those suck as much as they possibly can.
- Leyline of Anticipation is nice. Not only does it make Test of Endurance much better, it also let me delay my play to just before my turn or as a response to someone elses play. Love it. That said, it can be sideboarded out for Enduring Ideal or Dovescape when fooling around :)
Cheers
June 2, 2016 1:54 a.m.
Also not sure if its been mentioned Glacial Chasm might be worth it.
June 3, 2016 9:53 p.m. Edited.
TheRedGoat says... #12
Okay, this looks like a super solid build, but I'd like to pick your brain on a few choices you've left out.
First and foremost, did you really have to go so creature light as to having no Daxos the Returned, Starfield of Nyx, or Sigil of the Empty Throne?
Another set of options I see missing is an infinite token combo with Ajani's Chosen + Enchanted Evening . Play anything with the 2 out and you'll start a loop to get infinite enchantment cats.
Lastly, I learned from a daring standard player that Demonic Pact + Shifting Loyalties can make for a hilariously spiteful win condition when you gift them the pact after picking all but the lose the game choice. Bonus points if you opt for Puca's Mischief instead of the loyalty card. Obligatory credit to source link here
June 7, 2016 12:40 p.m.
MrHighscore says... #13
Thank you for the suggestions!
- Declaration of Naught is certainly worth considering. If used as protection against board wipes, I think I'd be better off with another counter spell, but versus troublesome commanders (e.g., Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury) it is pure gold (just like Nevermore). I am adding it to my mental maybe board.
- I don't remember if Glacial Chasm has come up before, but it is also worth a consideration. It can keep me safe from a lot of things if played at the right time. I don't think that I can afford to take out another land for it, so if I bring it in, it will be at the cost of an enchantment, and I'm not too happy about that either. I'll think about it.
- I don't have to do anything, but I chose to go all in on enchantments. I am even considering getting rid of Academy Rector.
- Daxos the Returned is not for this deck (I do have a Daxos' Enchanted Spirits in the making). It takes a while to rack up experience and his main purpose is to create creature tokens. I do what I can to make creatures suck as much as possible.
- Starfield of Nyx: The recursion is awesome (when Rest in Peace is not on the field). The creature part not so much. It is too much of a liability to loose all my enchantments to a board wipe or Terror or Doomblade or ... and I do what I can to make creatures suck as much as possible.
- Sigil of the Empty Throne: I don't think it will work. Fairly slow and the creatures suck theme :)
- Ajani's Chosen + Enchanted Evening : The loop will never end. I have to destroy Ajani's Chosen (while in the loop) to avoid a draw. 104.4b. Please correct me if I am wrong.
- Demonic Pact + Shifting Loyalties : This is fun, but a bit risky. It could make it into a one on one version of the deck, but in multiplayer this is too much of a slot investment to (potentially) take out one opponent.
Cheers
June 7, 2016 3:04 p.m.
TheRedGoat says... #14
I did see the draw problem with the cat loop, but I wasn't sure if you had seen that and left it out on purpose or never knew. I suppose you'd have to go heavier into creatures if you wanted that to be worth it because then cards like Grim Guardian could win you the game in the same turn. I'll have to keep this in mind for my own version though if I ever decide to re-build my own enchantment deck. Keep up the good work all the same!
June 7, 2016 3:35 p.m.
paytond2020 says... #15
First of all, you need a new couch. That thing is hideous.
my only suggestion is Wasteland-> Strip Mine
What turn do you usually win on? Do most wins come from people scooping?
I'm interested in trying this out, Not the usual pillow fort deck I see.
June 9, 2016 4:20 p.m.
MrHighscore says... #17
Thank you for the feedback!
Strip Mine: Good catch paytond2020, I don't know what I was thinking :)
Wins are slow and the people I play against don't scoop. Strategy is to lock down the board and drain/ping them dry. And then hope I one of the fast win-con's or a tutor. Most locks can be broken, especially when 3 other players are working together, so you always have to play it out. That said, I only have like 10 games with the deck, so time will tell.
Regarding Jace, the Mind Sculptor i did not even consider him for this deck, as he is not especially stax'ish nor has any enchantment related abilities, and maybe also because I find him expensive. The last argument should be disregarded, since this deck all ready broke the bank. What would you take out for him, and do you see any synergies that I don't?
Changes
- Wasteland --> Strip Mine
Cheers
June 10, 2016 1:02 a.m.
This deck seems designed to shut down every other type of deck you might play against while you essentially play a game of MTG: Solitaire... Good job taking the fun out of the game for everyone else at the table.
June 21, 2016 9:45 a.m.
Have you considered Nether Void? I ran it in my Oloro deck and it worked wonders, especially combined with Boseiju.
Oh, and Zur the Enchanter would be great for tutoring.
June 24, 2016 12:25 a.m. Edited.
MrHighscore says... #21
I am wondering if Invoke Prejudice would be worth the trouble? It is a bit slow, but it slows down creatures and commanders considerably.
- I think Plea for Guidance is too expensive for what it does.
- Thank you for the feedback.
- I did consider Nether Void, but I can't really find the synergi in this setup. In a more sorcery/instant heavy build it would be awesome with Boseiju, Who Shelters All.
Cheers
June 27, 2016 11:06 p.m.
I love invoke Prejudice. While its blue-heavy casting cost might seem prohibitive, your mana base should allow you to run it without much trouble.
June 28, 2016 1:56 a.m.
MrHighscore says... #23
I am looking forward to the new 4C commanders. If the WUBG commander is right, I may redo the deck to get access to some of the crazy G/Gx enchantments.
Cheers
June 29, 2016 12:30 a.m.
TheRedGoat says... #24
Actually, I wouldn't change too much. I asked you before about why you didn't use the infinite token combo and your reply then had been that you had no way to break it. And I honestly don't see a way to break it in green either unless you allow for more creature focus.
Btw, in advance I see you needing these changes to account for green:
Phyrexian Arena --> Sylvan Library (because having the choice to draw seems better)
Moat --> Dueling Grounds (why not just limit the quantity over the type right?)
Idyllic Tutor --> Sterling Grove (overall the same cost, is an enchantment, and protects)
Greed --> Enchantress's Presence (The obvious strict upgrade, unless you want to have creatures)
Oblivion Ring --> Song of the Dryads (or take out Banishing Light but that's prettier to me, also no free ETB triggers for them)
I do see a need for Prismatic Omen and Kruphix, God of Horizons as well, but I cannot fathom where to make the cut for them unless maybe you could drop a land for the Omen and Beseech the Queen for Kruphix?
Alternatively, when you try out the 4 color set up, you might could swap black for red and be raw group hug as there are red and redx enchantments that are friendly to everyone. Not sure how well that would work out though.
KailDaemon says... #1
Helm of Obedience + Rest in Peace or Leyline of the Void = dead someone. Tutor card or Tezzeret the Seeker plus leyline or RIP and 7 mana. Easy.
Ever thought of using Intruder Alarm + Blasting Station + Bloodline Keeper Flip as another win con? Another Tezzeret and Tutor combo.
Or transmute the pieces of either of these combos and an in hand Force of Will or Pact of Negation pretty much gaurantees a win.
May 24, 2016 5:36 p.m.