12 creatures is the usual amount for most delver decks @vault

GETTING THE BANNER FROM Prima @TheHroth! :D

Specifically, we need a lot of Instants and Sorceries for Delver of Secrets  ^Flip.

I don't think we want Goyf here. Most Delver decks run 12 creatures, lands, and instants/sorceries. We'd be playing a set of at least 1 enchantment (a la Phyrexian Unlife) and can't cut into instants/sorceries to fit it because we HAVE to be able to flip Delver of Secrets  ^Flip.

I think Delver, Shadow, and Unlife should be our only non-land permanents in the mainboard.

@Kiora_Fan-01

Just saw your post on his wall...I'm looking forward to it!

Sounds cool right? @TheHroth?

I disagree. I still like the 2-of on Obliterator. Its is very powerful, and not many answers for it in all honesty. Get out of here with Dismember. Thats a side card and yall know it. Haha

@Scytec Dismember is great for what we're doing 1 mana + 4 life to -5/-5 anything is quite good.

No no no. Haha. I know it is great for US. but most people sideboard it. I meant for use against our Obliterator.

What about sylvok and consideration on kin tree a 13/13 for GB? Still flips delver? And the lifeloss draw tutor?

i think Thoughtseize is a must

Also Smother

Can I get the orb list I really wanna build that too?

@hateindigital

TheGamer put a list up, I'm sure he could point you to it.

@All

I definitely think Thoughtseize (or some other hand disruption spell) is necessary.

I think we need to finalize what removal spells we want to play though. There are a ton of great ideas floating around for this, mostly in .

I really think Path to Exile is a must have, maybe 2-3 copies, so that should leave another few slots open for other removal.

Also, thoughts on Remand?

Remand is a good card, but I feel like we're playing an aggro deck. Suicide Black Aggro.

Seems legit

i dislike Remand. I don't know why. But I do not want to put it in the deck.

Is a splash of red viable here? Things like Goblin Guide, Lightning Bolt, and Monastery Swiftspear can get in some early damage, and allow Death's Shadow to come out faster.

Removal package suggestion:

4 Thoughtseize

4 Mana Leak

3 Path to Exile

2 Negate

2 Devour in Shadow

@TheGamer

I really don't think we should go 5 colour....we're already thinking of splashing for Melira, Sylvok Outcast to negate the effects of Phyrexian Unlife, and give us a pseudo-Platinum Angel effect.

This mana base though...haha. if were splashing this much, hell, we need playset of Mana Confluence. Which might not be a bad thing considering...couple of fetches, couple of pain lands. A shock or two for good measure. :) Hell, we'll kill ourself in no time. :p

@Scytec

Thats the idea! Haha. Mana Confluence and City of Brass sounds fun. ;)

We'll need them. :p

Oh, i had no idea we were five color. I thought we were just 2 as of right now :P

We aren't I think we are esper splash green for Melira

I thought we were four colors because Green and White both had 3 votes. Green gives us a lot though.

Here's the banner for the desc. guys! I had Prima put in cards we all knew were staples in the deck.