The Darkest Delver

Modern TheHroth

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klone13 says... #1

i like it vault

December 13, 2014 5:44 p.m.

Scytec says... #2

I thought we decided we were not jumping on the Cruise bandwagon? Haha. Also, I really feel like Negate is just better than Spell Pierce. Why are we running Mutagenic Growth? That seems like a good card for Infect, not Delver. Especially with Death's Shadow in the deck. Haha. Other than that, not bad tho.

December 13, 2014 6:29 p.m.

Scytec says... #3

I'd drop cruise for 2 more Night's Whisper and 2 Phyrexian Arena...but that is just me. :)

December 13, 2014 6:33 p.m.

Scytec says... #4

Crap...so sorry about the triple post...but Blood Moon WRECKS us...you sure only 2 basics is enough?

December 13, 2014 6:35 p.m.

-Fulcrum says... #5

Phyrexian Arena is great, but too slow for an aggro deck. I personally love Treasure Cruise (because I got a signed playset from Cynthia Sheppard), and it's honestly too good not to run. What would we play instead of it? Serum Visions? Meh.

Negate is better than Spell Pierce, but I feel like we don't want many 2+CMC spells.

Mutagenic Growth flips Delver, hurts us (thus pumping Death's Shadow), and buffs our creatures. It's not great, but I don't know any better cards. I honestly just looked through all the previous comments and put together a rough list.

December 13, 2014 6:38 p.m.

-Fulcrum says... #6

Blood Moon would wreck us, but this deck seems like the kind of deck that already wants to be in a winning board state by the time it hits the field. Now if Blood Moon hits the field and we don't have anything out, then either we're playing wrong or the opponent just had enough removal. The basic Plains means we can play Disenchant in the SB.

December 13, 2014 6:42 p.m.

WARPOPE says... #7

December 13, 2014 7:07 p.m.

BlackyMTG says... #8

Did anyone look at my list. I actually tested mine and it did very well and I pieced mine together. @vault a 4 of on a 2 drop legendary is really bad.

December 13, 2014 10:33 p.m.

-Fulcrum says... #9

Usually, yes. But we absolutely want to make sure we have Melira out while Phyrexian Unlife is out. Can you send me a link to your list?

December 13, 2014 10:37 p.m.

BlackyMTG says... #10

It's right above your post of the deck.

December 13, 2014 10:38 p.m.

-Fulcrum says... #11

Oh, never even saw that.

December 13, 2014 10:39 p.m.

BlackyMTG says... #12

@Scytec + vault you guys saying Negate is better than Spell Pierce really tells me how limited your knowledge of the format actually is. In modern it's all about value, and your opponent always uses their mana as efficient as possible, also they us tons of baits. Like playing a removal spell on your creature before they play their threat to play around counters, thus tapping their already low count of mana as most decks are aggro thus not playing more than 18 lands. This is why Spell Pierce is so much better than Negate being 1 mana to counter and having another mana open to Spell Pierce again and/or Path to Exile.

December 13, 2014 10:44 p.m.

Scytec says... #13

Fair enough. Like I said, I am relatively new to modern. :) All valid points. Now I know additional things to consider in the future. Thank you. So in the spot of Growth, you are looking for a delver trigger that can cost us life correct? I'll do a bit of searching and see what I can find. There may not be anything better. But it can't hurt. Perhaps a tutor to insure our combo pieces are there? Something along the lines of a modern legal vampiric tutor would be awesome. :)

December 13, 2014 10:44 p.m.

BlackyMTG says... #14

Mutagenic Growth is actually good enough in the deck as it, Delver of Secrets  Flip is only kill worthy if it's flipped, and your opponents realize that so when it becomes a 3/2, UR Delver being the most popular deck now, their only removal is bolt and damage effects so growth saves it, yw about the Spell Pierce thing. @Scytec

December 13, 2014 10:47 p.m.

-Fulcrum says... #15

Negate is a better card than Spell Pierce, just not in this deck. Negate is much better in control decks. I'm not an expert, but I do have a bit of experience in Modern. That's the reason I have Spell Pierce in that list, instead of Negate.

December 13, 2014 10:47 p.m.

BlackyMTG says... #16

vault I'm not trying to offend you, but I'd have to disagree. Negate is only good against control. They normally have the mana for Spell Pierce making it virtually bad. Negate is also a good choice for control too, but Spell Pierce being better in every other blue deck ever, makes it simply better.

December 13, 2014 10:51 p.m.

-Fulcrum says... #17

Spell Pierce is only good in Delver. That is the literal only deck where it is a good card. Neither one of them is good enough for MB (and SB is up for debate) in any Modern control deck.

December 13, 2014 10:58 p.m.

BlackyMTG says... #18

@vault it's mainboarded in many other decks too, combo decks specifically as they can't go off and leave up 2 mana with how mana intensive Negate like in legacy it's used in infect. Some decks combos take longer than 1 turn, so Pact of Negation just won't get the job done.

December 13, 2014 11:02 p.m.

BlackyMTG says... #19

TheHroth When will add our already found staples in?

December 13, 2014 11:03 p.m.

TheHroth says... #20

@Kiora_Fan-01

Now. I'm sorry guys, I've been studying for calculus like non-stop all weekend so far.

What about a 3-3 split between Melira and Unlife? I don't like the 4-2 idea, because that doesn't feel like enough copies of Unlife.

December 14, 2014 10:14 a.m.

WARPOPE says... #21

I like the 3x3

December 14, 2014 10:59 a.m.

-Fulcrum says... #22

Sounds good to me. This is pretty much untested so far. We can make more changes as we know what the deck wants to do.

December 14, 2014 12:38 p.m.

BlackyMTG says... #23

No, no, no we run 1 Melira, Sylvok Outcast and we run 1 Phyrexian Unlife and 2 Time of Need(Delver Flip) and 2 Idyllic Tutor(Delver Flip). These also allow us to run awesome SB answers! Like we can run 1 of enchantments and 1 of Legendary creatures other decks just can't handle like Suppression Field and Stony Silence

December 14, 2014 5:03 p.m.

-Fulcrum says... #24

I like that idea, seems pretty legit.

December 14, 2014 5:42 p.m.

Scytec says... #25

I like that. Agreed

December 14, 2014 5:46 p.m.

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