Hello again man. First talking about the Vilis, Broker of Blood,I think he is a bit expensive for what we try to do, with all the other draw it´s a bit redundant, and he can´t be cheated from hand or GV.

Personally I don´t run him in my list for the same reason I cut Archfiend of Despair. Debt to the Deathless is good for the deck. Having at least one big X drain spell.

Second, I know Divinity of Pride is awesome and thicc, but I could easily replace him for something like Archangel of Thune, same cost and can make herself and Liesa really big. Even Vona, Butcher of Magan has more utility and impact but I haven´t tested it enough.

Lastly the easiest one, Tainted Remedy is super narrow, powerful in some tables but in general meh.Erebos, God of the Dead seems way better as it is indestructible and preventing them for gaining life is the most important part of the card. The card draw it´s just the extra and it´s wonderful,because it balances the card draw if you cut Vilis.

If I may say another recommendation, I run Heliod´s intervention on nearly every white deck I own, just amazing value, and the second part of the card is sweet in this deck.

Greetings

sora719, Hi again! I'm so glad you've been keeping up with the deck since the start!

Funnily enough, 3 of the 4 suggestions you made I've been silently questioning myself over as well.

To get Vilis, Broker of Blood out of the way, assuming we use the same 8 mana for Debt to the Deathless, that IS a gain 24 life and a drain of 8 per opponent. As of now, I consider that a worthy value and will make the change.

I've done the math for Divinity of Pride and Archangel of Thune, and assuming I only have the given creature and Liesa out, DoP has more lifegain for the first 3 turns of combat. After that, AoT has the better lifegain rate, as it increases every turn. Notably, I have 17 possible ways to gain life in the deck, so it's likely I could make AoT buff even faster. My only worry is that a growing board/ growing Liesa will incentivise my opponents to kill it/her more than DoP ever would.

However Archangel of Thune is my favorite angel (after mistress Liesa of course), so I'm inclined to use it. Given the fact that it also isn't as color restrictive as DoP, I'll go ahead and make the change.

I have more than enough copies of Erebos, God of the Dead laying around, and the indestructible creature makes it very versatile, so I'll make that change too.

Finally, Heliod's Intervention. I did originally have it in the maybe board, but I couldn't find a slot for it. Anyone who's seen my Karametra, God of Harvests deck knows I love me some enchantment and artifact removal. That being said, I'm still not sure what I would remove for it.

I'll add it back to the maybe board, and hope I grow tired of some other card so I can make the switch.

Thank you so much for the comment and help!

Holy ****, I am gonna build this deck as soon as I have the cash. I know a few people who need to suffer at the hands of this cruelty >:)

TTiger97 glad you like the build haha. Show them no mercy

+1! Definitely a fan of the deck building here. Really well done. Just wondering if you have any thoughts/comments on Norn's Annex, Polluted Bonds and/or Well of Lost Dreams?

betomindslav thanks for the upvote! Norn's Annex and Polluted Bonds are just too expensive for what they bring to the table imo. They also fall at 5 cmc, which we want to leave as empty as possible so we can drop Liesa when we get 5 mana.

Well of Lost Dreams I am considering as a replacement for Court of Grace. I'm not sure yet though.

Is this deck also good in 1v1?

fuxx it does pretty decently against other midrange decks, but it would lose to stuff like Edgar Markov in 1v1. I haven't played it in nearly as much 1v1 as I have in 4-player

Santiago1011 have you considered running Resplendent Angel over Indulging Patrician? It’s a little more mana restrictive, with the added cost of having to gain two more life to trigger, but I think it could provide more utility. Plus, Liesa, Shroud of Dusk hits for 5 anyway!

What are your thoughts on adding Witch of the Moors to the deck?

jamesmac42, I'll add Resplendent Angel to the maybe board, as it works well both playability and thematically, but Indulging Patrician is a perfect example of the cards I'm looking for in this deck, which is synergistic passive drain. Ideally I'll be able to fit both in at some point.

fuxx, thanks for the upvote! I have been asked about this card before (perhaps not on TappedOut), and I don't run it for a couple reasons; it has a cmc of 5, which is awkward when the commander costs 5, I don't run the most creatures so a lot of the time I wouldn't make full use of the recursion, and people dislike saccing a creature every turn (just look at how people react when you drop a Sheoldred, Whispering One).

The goal here is to be able to hurt people while staying under the radar, and wait until we get to the point where we hurt them so much that they can't stop us even if they wanted to. People value their permanents much more than their life totals for most of the game.

I love this deck! I've wanted to play something lifegainy for awhile and just recently was trying to find a deck that played stax cards, but not enough to instantly archenemy myself. This deck may be the balance. Liesa looking so damn cool is just icing on the cake.

So I've been contemplating this deck for awhile now. Honestly I'm a little shocked no one's mentioned Aetherflux Reservoir yet. Granted I'm not sure it would fit in this deck cuz life-gain is only one part of the plan. With both it and Liesa out, The reservoir might be able to counter the loss of two life Liesa causes you if you played at least two spells on a turn. If the life-gain plan is as good as I think it is. Aetherflux Reservoir becomes a Deathstar laser

C4K3P0P I'm glad you enjoy the deck! It's for sure the first orzhov deck I've been super excited about even though it's my favorite guild

TTiger97 I decided to not include Aetherflux Reservoir because most games I don't go above fifty life; it's first ability wouldn't change this a whole lot. Since I can't easily make use of it's second ability, it would draw an unwarranted target on my back.

Have you considered Hall of Heliod's Generosity for a utility land? Feels at home here with enchantments being such a core part of the deck.

C4K3P0P I initially was considering it, but really loves its colored mana costs and I get about 5-7 enchantments out in the average game, which is a decent amount, but not necessarily something that makes me feel the need to run Hall of Heliod's Generosity. I'll add it to the maybe board for the simple fact that I don't think I have too many colorless lands

Crested Sunmare may be a good addition.

ThatGrimGuy I did actually have Crested Sunmare in an earier iteration of the deck, but I then opted to go for a more controlly build. It also falls in the 5 cmc slot, which is a bit awkward because Liesa costs 5 and I don't have the most ramp

Santiago1011, that is completely understandable. I also wanted to bring up Gary aka Gray Merchant of Asphodel possibly being replaced by K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth. I have found on numerous occasions of playing with Gary that he just often felt underwhelming in this deck. In order to fully tap into his potential I found that I needed several other pieces already in play. As his replacement I opted for K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth as a form of mana acceleration. I found that he acts as a one card mana cost reduction engine for a number of our pieces, such as Bolas's Citadel, Necropotence, our commander, etc. This addition also helped improve running Font of Agonies if you so desire.

Hi, Santiago1011, thanks for the awesome deck and for keeping doing updates for it. I wanted to ask, if you have any thoughts about Cosmos Elixir ? Can it replace Well of Lost Dreams ?

I'd straight flip the table, I hate playing against stax.

No problem clircrazy :) While I think Cosmos Elixir would work really well in tandem with Well of Lost Dreams , it doesn't really compare in terms of card advantage. It would be another incentive for our opponents to hit us. It's definitely viable, but it's lower power than WoLD.

I take that as a compliment jonno.scott haha. I didn't want to go super mean stacks..

Wow, consistent list and very fun looking. How does the list fare versus intense aggro? Have you considered Solitary Confinement for the ultimate defense? You have enough card draw to offset the cost.

Thanks for the compliment Wedjat ;) I don't have any memorable games against intense aggro, but I'd say it's about a 35/65 chance I could keep myself safe. Not the best chance, but we have to remember that our commander has lifelink (to mitigate incoming damage) and that due to the nature of commander, intense aggro is an uphill battle with the two additional players.

I have considered SC, and I don't like it specifically because I haven't had the intense target put on my head much.

Santiago1011, got your idea and agree - Well of Lost Dreams is better. And what about Darksteel Mutation , I've run in couple of situations when my opponents have simply sacrificed enchanted creature. I've tried Oubliette and it worked way better. Have you tried it? Also what about Disenchant or Return to Dust for some protection or slowing our enemies by destroying theirs mana artifacts?