This makes me imagine someone tossing cards at their opponent yelling, "you don't get a hand!"Seems like this could work, you seem to have most bases covered. but I don't know for sure until I can see it in action.

+1 for the name

I think Wrench Mind would be better than Thoughtseize as you don't really care what cards they discard because they are going to lose them anyway, and you don't need to take the damage.

Thanks!

Yeah Thoughtseize hurts, and while it only removes 1 card, the advantage is that I can choose and make them remove a threat. It's much stronger as a turn 1 play, and will get stronger when waste not is released.

That said, I do see value in Wrench Mind and have been considering it, perhaps as a Blackmail replacement.

a discard deck that is named "Liliana's impressive rack" and it doesn't have Liliana's Caress ? it may not out damage Shrieking Affliction , but it has more flavor for your deck and gets the job done just as easily. also, Sign in Blood is pretty good in a discard deck for getting to your combo or making the opponent have cards to discard.

I like Liliana's Caress , I really do, but I'm just not sure it's on curve enough. I should probably give it a proper test, admittedly. While it is more in flavour, having liliana herself in the deck covers that base pretty well for me.

Card draw is an element of this deck that I feel is necessary, but am unsure on how to handle, especially seeing as Ensnaring Bridge requires an empty hand. I'm still not sure on Phyrexian Arena and would like to see how waste not handles the card draw role.

First, thanks for the suggestions on my deck, those are going to speed it up and make it considerably more dangerous. Second, I don't have any suggestions for this. You have a lot of ground covered, it looks like a LOT of fun to play, and you and I both are waiting for "Waste Not" to come out, that's going to up discard's fun considerably!

I have high hopes for waste not, it better not disappoint!

Awesome deck. Have you considered Quest for the Nihil Stone ?

Thanks! Yeah I quite like it, but I like Shrieking Affliction and The Rack more. They don't need to ramp up, and they don't need an empty hand to do damage.

Since your running Smallpox and Raven's Crime then Crucible of Worlds would work well in your build. Just drop Raven's Crime down a copy or 2 to make room. ...and if that's the case you may want to say screw Mutavault and fill it's place with Ghost Quarter or Tectonic Edge Imagine casting ghost quarter each turn vs jund or esper, could be devastating.

Blackmail could get the axe as well.

Yeah I've considered Crucible of Worlds , it might be worth testing. I'm just not sure if I want or need it at 3cmc, the top of my curve. It would be nice to run it with Ghost Quarter or Tectonic Edge though for sure.

Blackmail is better than it seems.

I know, I've used it before too. only problem with it is u have to buy 4x foil version to get black borders.

I know the primer is against things like creatures & Liliana's Caress. ...but Liliana's Caress kicks ass.

In my latest remodeling of 8Rack (since the basic version doesn't work) I run Mindstab just for the sake of hitting Liliana's Caress

I also run Necroplasm as a constant board wipe.

deck-large:blck-8rck-remix/

Yeah Liliana's Caress does tempt me (heh) and I have yet to give it a proper test, so I may as well actually acquire some and see how it plays.

Necroplasm does look like fun, but in the 3cmc slot I think I still prefer Ensnaring Bridge .

Mindstab is interesting. How often do you find it removes 3 cards? It seems to me that by the time it's gone off they probably only have 1 or 2 cards in hand anyway, though it might be good in the sideboard.

I still have to play test with it, I did buy the card, but just haven't had a day off to try it out properly.

...and yea that's the biggest issue with deck, it sends your opponent into topdeck mode too quick making all your discard spells useless. In theory you would have a Rack or Affliction out to capitalize on it. ...but the deck doesn't have enough space to both be effective and carry a proper number of answers.

Vendetta , Slaughter Pact , Bone Splinters + Drainpipe Vermin or Black Cat , Dark Betrayal , Disfigure , Deathmark could all make this deck a force to wreckon with.

I've been considering running Font of Mythos to answer the top decking issue and making your discard spells still relevant which would make Liliana's Caress or Megrim far more effective.

Wow, I like Vendetta , I don't know how I was unaware of that card.

While it is true that the deck is weak to topdeck threats in that it can't preemptively deal with them, I think there is a lot to be said for being able to force your opponent into the awkward position of relying on topdecks play, while you hold the advantage in that situation. There are also at least some tools available to us such as Surgical Extraction which can help remove threats we don't want to see windmill slammed from the top of the deck.

I am also aware that there is weakness in relying on Ensnaring Bridge , because there are only 4 copies in the deck, so perhaps more answers and removal is the solution.

Can't wait for Waste Not either, gonna fit nicely into this deck, like in so many other Discard decks! Awesome name and awesome deck, +1 from me!

Yeah Liliana's Caress and Megrim are sub-optimal, but I like how focused your deck is, and don't see them adding much. Mutavault seems like it would get in your way since it doesn't tap for black. As far as removal, have you considered Geth's Verdict ? It gets around hexproof very effectively. A pair of Damnation s Might do well in the mainboard, but that's debatable...

He does run Smallpox which is the middle child between Pox and youngest Geth's Verdict then there is that unwanted only by marriage relative Undercity Plague

@abstractApathist

Yeah I have considered Geth's Verdict but as has been said I'm not sure I need it considering Smallpox . I really with it discarded instead of the life loss...

I originally had Damnation mainboard, and I love the card, however 4cmc feels a little greedy considering the otherwise tremendously low curve, and the self-land destruction in Smallpox .

I think you might be right about the deck being more focused without them, but I think Liliana's Caress might be worth testing at least, I can never see myself running Megrim , however.

Yeah I'm trying Mutavault out, seeing as there are only two, I'm running Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and every other source is black I'm not too worried about them, I can always remove them if I find them a hindrance.

Mutilate and Killing Wave could be sideboard options here against aggro decks to keep the field under control.

Go into green. Life from the Loam + Raven's Crime is insane.

Crucible of Worlds might have a home here. That way u can discard lands with no downside.

Bojuka Bog sounds like it would be pretty good in your deck, especially against reanimator