323Dimitri says... #2
How do you do against burn? Seeing as they often empty their hand quickly and play at instant speed I can not see you doing well. i would suggest Witchbane Orb in the side. It would stop burn in its tracks. Plus one from me and i love the concept.
November 13, 2013 5:36 p.m.
323Dimitri says... #3
I would also suggest removing Smallpox for Wrench Mind .
November 13, 2013 5:38 p.m.
@Diresam12 Thanks! And nice decks! How have you found Funeral Charm ? The instant speed discard is nice, but I'm not yet convinced it's good enough.
@323Dimitri The deck does at least have the advantage of not having to deal with fetch and shockland damage, though Thoughtseize is terrible against burn. To be honest I haven't had as many chances to test the deck as I would have liked. I was considering Leyline of Sanctity for the sideboard, though Witchbane Orb may be a better option as it can actually be cast. I'll play around with it more as I test it, but I do have Leyline of Sanctity / Witchbane Orb in mind.
I have had my eye on Smallpox it is in one of the flex slots and I may decide to replace it with Wrench Mind . I would like to include Wrench Mind if possible.
Thanks for the advice and kind words!
November 14, 2013 5:04 a.m.
Funeral Charm ? At the beginning, I was working on a Mono-Black Infect deck and it was the most versatile spell for it, allowing extra evasion with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth for my Phyrexian Crusader , either pump it or remove x/1 creatures and instant discard, which is rare and crazy in modern, almost screw the turn of an opponent (in response to your draw step, I make you discard your top draw xD). The only other choices for instant discard is Piracy Charm in blue and Nezumi Shortfang , but only once and it's become a sort of creature-based lock.
November 14, 2013 4:23 p.m.
imo things like thoughtsieze and inq don't belong in this deck, your goal is to make them discard their hand so on turns like 3-4 when they just have lands thoughtsiezing them does nothing, try cards like blackmail / funeral charm to just make them dump their hand
January 7, 2014 4:18 p.m.
Hmm, I disagree. Generally for the first few turns of the game at least they're playing the lands from their hand and I'm discarding the rest, and cards like Smallpox , Raven's Crime and Liliana of the Veil can discard lands anyway.
The real strength of Inquisition of Kozilek , Duress and Thoughtseize is that while progressing my particular game plan they let me remove key threats before they are played, and they are absolutely necessary early in the game so as to prevent the opponent from setting up a strong board before I lock them down. Turn 1 Inquisition of Kozilek is infinitely better than turn 1 Funeral Charm or Blackmail because it has a chance to kill your opponents next planned play. I like Funeral Charm and Blackmail but, despite being 1cmc discard spells, they fill a very different role to the others as they should be played later in the game for full effect, and I chose other alternatives for late game discard.
January 8, 2014 7:41 a.m.
Tbh then go for 4 inq and 0 thoughtsieze, you are taking the threats that are 1 2 or 3 cmc anyway then later in the game you just make them discard everything
January 8, 2014 11:48 a.m.
323Dimitri says... #9
I would drop 2 Shrieking Affliction for 2 Quest for the Nihil Stone because your opponent will likely have more than 1 card in hand on turn 2 or 3 and you can easily get quest up to 2 counters. That is just my oppinion. when waste not comes out I would drop Smallpox .
January 8, 2014 10 p.m.
I don't mind Quest for the Nihil Stone but I wouldn't replace Shrieking Affliction with it. I don't like how it takes turns to ramp up. It's fine if you're playing if from your opening hand, but it makes it a pretty bad top-deck in comparison.
And yeah Smallpox is my flex slot, so it will likely be replaced by waste not the very minute it is released.
January 9, 2014 4:35 a.m.
Rackling from Nemesis was a card that came to mind for me. It can keep the damage going for you if you get more than once out. It probably wouldn't work well for you, but Death's Approach is cheap.
January 11, 2014 10:03 a.m.
Yeah I like Rackling , but not for 4 mana. I need a reeeallly good reason to run anything with a mana cost greater than 2.
January 12, 2014 7:13 a.m.
And I really like the deck, would probably make a minor tweak: 4 Duress out and 4 Wrench Mind in.
January 12, 2014 7:36 a.m.
Yeah I would like to play around with Wrench Mind . Dunno if I want a playset though.
January 12, 2014 7:52 p.m.
I can see your point about Rackling . Maybe Gnat Miser and/or Locust Miser would help you. Hadn't thought about Kamigawa in forever, but it's fit your theme in an odd way.
January 12, 2014 10:35 p.m.
Those are certainly interesting, I didn't even know they existed.
January 12, 2014 11:04 p.m.
Wrench Mind is the closest we can get to Hymn to Tourach in Modern pox decks. I run the full four in my 8 rack, it's just so good. Most decks will only be running Batterskull if any artifacts, and that's definitely something you don't mind your opponents discarding, The only bad matchup with it is Affinity, and then you just side it out for your boardwipes. A 2 for 1 is the most basic for of value. I would probably take out Duress for it.The Life from the Loam and Raven's crime combo is so good. I would add that in in a heartbeat. Same with Abrupt Decay over Dismember. I'm running 4 inqusitions, 4 siezes, 4 wrench minds, 4 raven's crimes, 4 funeral charms, 4 lilis, and 1 life from the loam as my discard suite. I'm also running 18 lands. When you only have 6 3-drops, 21 is way too much. Also, 8 black fetches, 3-4 tombs and only 1 or 2 urborgs seems to work for me. Bitterblossom is an interesting choice, but I don't know if it's right for this deck. I'd rather run another discard spell or removal.
February 3, 2014 2:24 a.m.
I'm not really that keen on the green splash. I don't think it's really necessary, especially now that poor little Deathrite Shaman is gone.
I do agree that Wrench Mind probably deserves a place, though they're surprisingly hard to come by. I want to test with them before I add them to my list.
Just testing Bitterblossom for now, I may cut it or add more copies. I like it alongside Ensnaring Bridge .
February 3, 2014 2:56 a.m.
mymanpotsandpans says... #22
I am not sure but Despise vs Raven's Crime . You might have options that already hit desired card types but you might want more.
March 3, 2014 9:23 p.m.
I do really love targeted discard, and I wish I could fit in more targeted discard like Despise and Duress , but Raven's Crime fills a very important role in the deck and I don't think it can justifiably be replaced. Raven's crime on it's own is pretty pathetic, however the retrace turns every unnecessary land topdeck into another copy of raven's crime, making it a powerful engine long into the late game.
March 3, 2014 10:12 p.m.
Liliana's Caress or Megrim might be useful. But I'm ignorant, so pay no heed.
March 4, 2014 3:06 a.m.
zombie_sky_diver says... #25
Im impressed with this +1
Only issues: You just fold to Leyline of Sanctity. An I feel like agro decks such as Affinity will laugh at you if the Bridge doesn't get out fast enough.
Personally, you should toss in a Smallpox to help with creatures, and its also non targeted. There is also Death Cloud but expensive.
And, IMO your better off with Lingering Souls over Bitterblossom esp. if you do end up with Smallpox. Being able to ditch it to Liliana is excellent.
But to each his own preference. Blossom is still really good.
Diresam12 says... #1
4 Ensnaring Bridge , 4 The Rack / 4 Shrieking Affliction AND Liliana of the Veil , +1 for you :P Have you ever try Funeral Charm ? And yes, Blackmail is nice :3
Also, I have similar deck, you can look at :The Discard Rack and Violent Discard Rack
November 13, 2013 9:22 a.m.