also, any reason for Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth? Or just because you can?

Waste not is a trap... tested it so many times and it just doesn't do enough

Leyline is an issue, but liliana still works, siding in Necrogen Mists helps, and Bitterblossom can still kill through it. Difficult but not impossible.

Situations like leyline, or vs decks that are strong against the discard strategy, are what make bitterblossom a better choice than the one time use Lingering Souls , imo, because bitterblossom alone is a win condition totally separate from the games core strategy.

Aggro like affinity is an issue, and the sideboard probably needs work to assist with that. Damnation may become Bile Blight .

Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth fixes colourless lands for black mana, which is surprisingly relevant considering the deck is mono colour. The landbase needs work though, I'm going to fiddle with it later, as I'm not satisfied with it.

@ilagirl I hope you're wrong! I still have hope!

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Waste not looks like it would be a powerhouse with Lilana, and noting but a value card. I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss it, even if you tested it. IMO it looks like it may end up replacing Bob in the current jund builds.

I still dont know why its considered Jund.... its more like BG occasional with a splash of something but that's irrelevant here.

How has this deck been working for u?

The problem I always have with my attempts at 8Rack is that I either have a hand full of discard and no Rack or I have 3 Racks and no discard.

I bought a proxy playset of Waste Not zombie_sky_diver and put it in an 8Rack build and in my main modern deck. In both atmosphere's the card just doesn't do enough. It triggers exactly the same as Liliana's Caress and there is just too many instances where it's too situational. They're in top deck mode so it never triggers. Or they have cards in hand and u +1 Lilly and they throw away a land because it's late game and both players already can cast everything in their deck.

It may be better with Scepter of Fugue or in a Rakdos build since it gives access to Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace

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Not to mention if they discard a non-creature non-land card it'll force u to draw a card during their turn. That sounds good but it significantly weakens Ensnaring Bridge .

You're 2/2 Zombie is only good if u don't have a bridge down. The mana ramp is almost useless, and the card draw is nice but see above.

I would add another copy of Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and remove a swamp. What is your opinion about Buried Ruin ?

@APPLE01DOJ I can see how waste not may be over-hyped, but I haven't tested with it yet, and yeah it may work well in a different build.

The deck's been working pretty well for me, but I am still tweaking it, and I don't get nearly enough opportunities to play it competitively.

@HellSurfist I'm fiddling around with the land base at the moment, thanks for reminding me. I'm going to try dropping the number of colourless lands, and testing out Buried Ruin to see how well it runs. I've heard good things.

Interesting deck. Leyline of Sanctity can be a problem, however. Splash it with white for Disenchant ?

He could just run Ratchet Bomb or Oblivion Stone

If someone plays a leyline in this modern format than.. gratz to them? I don't think its a card right now and it really needs anything in the sideboard to stop it

+1 Just for the name... it's always fun to play with Liliana and dat Rack... wait, what? hahah

Nihil Spellbomb would be great in here. its gets rid of their graveyard, while letting you draw.

Yeah it might be useful as a sideboard card I'll keep it in mind. Thanks :)

I feel like Smallpox is better creature removal for you.

I've tested the card out a fair amount and I like it a lot, but running smallpox really requires a different list. I think smallpox could work in a similar build, but it really has to be built around.

id run Hymn to Tourach over the kozilek one

Trust me, if I could I would. Not modern legal unfortunately.

I had a decklist similar I was testing with proxy Waste Not and I only found it useful with random discard spells. Also after my opponent had no hand it became terrible. The compromise I came up with was splashing red for things like Reforge the Soul and Burning Inquiry . But than we've built a completely different deck.

One card I don't see mana mono black discard lists running that I feel it should is Jester's Scepter . I know it's top of curve however it can solve the whole issue of sitting with discard spells in hand against an opponent with no cards in hand. Just an idear!

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I agree with your assessment of waste not. The more I play this deck the less i want it. As you said it is terrible in top deck mode and really wants a different deck.

Jester's scepter is certainly an interesting idea, I really like the role it would play in this list. That said, as you mentioned it is very high on curve, and I wonder if it's worth it.

Thanks :)

I like your build. It is very similar to mine (and most 8Rack decks for that matter. Could you take a look at mine and give me some feedback?

Specifically, I am curious why you aren't running 4x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth ?

Do you find Buried Ruin useful enough to sub out 2x Mutavault ?

Have you played with Infernal Tutor like I include in my deck? What are your thoughts?

Finally, I'm curious why you chose to mainboard Bile Blight versus some of the other options... I haven't had a chance to extensively play test mine yet, so I'd like to hear how you formed your opinions, in order to learn from your experiences playing this.

I am building a rakdos 8rack, I'm curious as to your opinion of the dual card Rise/Fall ? The fall half, obviously :-)

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I don't want to run 4 urborg because it really isn't good in multiples, I want reliability in my first 3 land drops, and I haven't found I need a fourth. Urborg is a nice thing to have, but rarely do I draw so many colourless lands that I desperately need it, and I think adding a fourth to smooth those early mutavaults and buried ruins is probably doing more harm than good. I have seen quite a few lists run the full four so it might not be terrible, but 3 works for me.

On the subject of Buried Ruin vs Mutavault , this part of my list is the part I am least confident in. Both have won me games that were otherwise unwinnable. Mutavault is useful against most decks and is relevant far more consistently than buried ruin. Ruin is totally irrelevant and serves as nothing more than a colourless land/raven's crime fodder most of the time, however when it is relevant it can outright save you the game. I'm not really sure what is correct here.

I've played with Infernal Tutor a little bit, but not a whole lot. You probably have a better of idea of its usefulness than me, but it seems pretty good, and I've heard a lot of good things about it in this deck. I chose not to run tutors in my main board because I found that they bogged me down too much against the match ups they weren't relevant for. I did run Beseech the Queen in my sideboard for a while but am currently running with a Dimir Machinations instead for additional utility, and to tutor out a bridge or liliana. In general I'm not a huge fan of tutors in this deck though, because they can gum up your hand, or slow you down a turn.

Bile Blight is meta dependant more than anything. That slot could just as easily be filled with Victim of Night , Dismember , Slaughter Pact etc. but I like bile blight because it is better against some faster aggro such as zoo, is potentially better than general 1-for-1 removal against affinity, has additional utility in that it kills Lingering Souls tokens, Pestermite , Empty the Warrens tokens etc. while still acting as 1-for-1 spot removal when necessary the vast majority of the time. Against the few big creatures that can survive a bile blight before I side in dismember against them, at least the -3/-3 can still be used to prevent some of the damage they deal, or to help kill them off with the help of a Mutavault or faerie token.

@Twanicus I'm not sure about Fall , you'll have to test it, it does seem good though. The random is a very large upside, and while it can whiff, wrench mind has downside anyway so it may not be worse. Are you building a rakdos list for Wrench Mind because that does seem very fun.

@scarmask Thanks for the lengthy response. Much to consider. I do like where your train of thought is with most of this. I'll tinker a bit and see what I see.