illumfolly as for death cloud its good. I'll have to test it. My only fear its I have to pump a lot of mana into a symtrical doomsday button.

how about Pox? maybe Smokestack?

Ooh! Those are good suggeations. Evil, but good. I'll have to test them and how my meta reacts.

i run an edh deck that is the opposite of group hug. i run cards like Pox, Smokestack, Tainted AEther, Lethal Vapors, Smallpox, its quite a douchey deck. and, i might add, one of my favorite cards is Hatred, which i always suggest because of nostalgia, but it can one hit kill an opponent with commander damage. maybe Hatred wouldn't be good for your deck though.

Know what's dumb with lethal vapors? Pithing Needle

yeah that is very good with it.

Like this deck a lot! Woult you take a look at mine?

Evil Dead

Well... This isn't my deck :/

Springfluter as a general rule, its often seen as poor form to simply link your deck without offering some semblance of advice. Just an FYI.

Still if you link you deck, ill do my best to help! It's why I'm here.

I'm sorry. I didn't ment to be rude. But I habe no idea where to go with my Lili - all advices I would give to you can't be that good.

Some thoughts anyway:Necropotence exiles your discarded cards, no way to reanimate them.

I like to run way more card draw. Greed, Underworld Connections and Dark Prophecy ensure a full hand - love to have options.

Liliana's Caress and Sadistic Hypnotist might fit here too.

I hope these words are not that useless ;)

Thats my try to build a deck around her: Evil Dead

I've tested Necropotence and it's insanely op. everyone that said it was worth running despite the nombo with liliana was certainly correct.

It's ridiculously powerful. i'll drop by and help at some point in the future.

No, you haven't bugged me yet. Your Avg. CMC terrifies me a bit. It wouldn't be all that bad, but you've got a fairly low amount of dedicated mana accelerants. Yes, the potential of doubling 8 lands with Urborg + Ghast is great, but it does nothing until 10 or so turns into the game. I highly suggest you add roughly 4 or so CMC=2 rocks in order to diversify your ramp options.

My current suggestions to cut are:

• Orbs of Warding. I don't think this cards is worth its heavy cost. The only two cards that are even remotely playable in EDH that target exile yards are Angel of Finality, Bojuka Bog, and Tormod's Crypt. At higher levels of play, those are all rather meh. It's far more common to see Relic of Progenitus, Rest in Peace, etc. I don't know what your meta is like, but those cards are rather meh. I think it might be better to just accept your weakness to yard hate and shave this card off. Also, this does nothing Vs. Blue Sun's Zenith combos unlike your description says. If I'm comboing off, I can kill all other players first, then target myself, draw my entire deck, find any card to deal with Orbs of Warding, draw the Zenith again, and kill you.

• Black Market is great and all, but it might be too slow. My objection comes from how slowly it generates value.

• Strands of Night is usually though of as a worse Phyrexian Reclamation. If you want reanimation, better cards exist. If you want recurring value, the reclamation is decent.

• Dust Bowl. I read your thoughts on why you run this over more traditional removal options, but I doubt leaving up 4 mana simply to respond to something like Strip Mine isn't feasible enough where you could do it consistently, esp. early game.

I have plenty of other objections but I can tell you've included them for particular reasons. I hope that helps.

I also notice you've got very limited card draw options. I highly recommend getting some low-to-the-ground sorceries to draw stuff. Think Syphon Mind and Night's Whisper. Greed or Erebos, God of the Dead are also decent options.

This deck is maliciously evil :D

Honestly, you're making me want to have a mono black commander!

TheDevicer I haven't had mana issues as of yet, but I'll keep it in mind.

I'll might cut Orbs of Warding, my meta isn't super competitive, but Orbs has done pretty well.

And I completely disagree about Strands of Night. Strands puts them into play not hand AT INSTANT SPEED. The two cards are not comparable.

At this point, Dust Bowl over Strip Mine is just personal preference, and I enjoy the reusability that dust bowl offers.

I'm trying to add Bloodgift Demon for more cardbdraw, but with my tutors and Necropotence I'm not horriblely lacking in draw.

Ravolt glad you like it. It's my pride and joy. You could show your appreciation with an upvote :) hint hint nudge nudge.

Got a Slum Reaper, which curves nicely with Liliana. Suggestions for cuts?

TheDevicer do you think Mana Vault is worth running? It'd lower my curve(depending on what I cut.), but I don't know if its even worth running, even if i can find a cut. I have one, but don't know if the lifeloss might be too much, but I could use that ramp.

It's a great card when you can manipulate its untapping or have things you desperately need to ramp into. I don't recommend running it here. Instead, go for rocks that are accessible and have repeat value. Think Jet Medallion, Worn Powerstone, etc.

Have you ever tried playing with Thoughtpicker Witch?

I have not. The ability is strong but I'd rather not pay for my sac outlets...

I can't remember if you had this in your previous build, but Decree of Pain looks like it would be a good fit here.

canterlotguardian my biggest issue is that it's REALLY expensive. I prefer my boarwipes to be low cost so that I can reestablishe a board presence after a wipe.

Fair point. How about AEther Snap to deal with tokens and Planeswalkers?

If I had a bigger issue with Planeswalkers I'd just run Ruinous Path, its cheaper and less specific. AetherSnap hits too much for me and was often a dead draw in playtests.

My meta right now is mainly Meren of Clan Nel Toth and Karador.

What do you think of Grave Scrabbler?

I like this a lot. mono black is just so much fun. I'm curious of the The Planeswalker Uniqueness rule stating only one Liliana can be out at a time? Doesn't that make your other Liliana's dead draws?