Sea Gate Wreckage? Your land base covers the one downside the land would have (the lack of colorless production). idk how frequently you end up with no cards in hand though.

I've got Mikokoro, Center of the Sea for that. I'd rather my opponents draw, because of Lili's plus 2 essentially makes it milling. Plus its slightly cheaper.

I may test it out though for redundancy.

I've found that redundancy can be quite good. And you could just use Sea Gate Wreckage first and then the other so you get two cards.

Just an FYI, but Sea Gate Wreckage cost more than Mikokoro.

I need to get my hands on a Thought-Knot Seer...

OMG Thought-Knot Seer would be amazing in lily.

That is the idea.

I've decided to add Thought-Knot Seer, its too good. Now i need removal suggestions.

I would maybe look at cutting Slum Reaper - you already have a bunch of forced sac effects as well as both Fleshbag Marauder and Merciless Executioner. ANd this way your curve stays consistent.

I need to update my Primer someday soon.

What needs updating? Just curious.

Waste Not, Liliana of the Veil, Slum Reaper, and Disciple of Bolas are no longer in the deck.

Ive added Thought-Knot Seer, Obliterator and Geralf's Messenger to the deck.

I thought these Legendaries wouldn't work as commanders because the go back to the command zone when they exile for their flip ability

@Postmortal_Pop When a commander changes zones, you may choose to return it to the command zone. However, it is not mandatory. So he simply has to not return it and everything will be fine

Yep. lemmingllama hit it on the head. I choise to exile her and her own ability returns her.

Sorry mistake was on me, I read somewhere that rule 903.9 let's any player move it back to the command zone not just the owner. Silly me xD

I know I may have mentioned it earlier but with the inclusion of Geralf's Messenger, Nim Deathmantle feels really solid here.

It gives you a secondary win condition with Ashnod's Altar and the two and just gets stupid with cards like Kokusho, the Evening Star.

@enpc I'll test in my online, budget build. If it played well, I'll move it to playtests in paper.

Tested out Warping Wail today...and it's baaaaad.

I'd believe it.

Out of curiosity, have you tested out Wretched Confluence?

enpc, havnt tested it per se. I wanted to, but none of the modes are worth running. I prefer it in Horobi, Death's Wail.

Not even instant speed draw 3 lose 3?