Lili's Revelation (Liliana Primer)

Commander / EDH CuteSnail

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Tsarius says... #3

Suggestions: Mirrorpool, Mortuary Mire

Because more nonbasic lands that do things is always the right answer in EDH imo.

February 2, 2016 12:24 p.m.

CuteSnail says... #4

Tsarius, until Blood Moon hits, or Back to Basics. Plus I need to keep my basic count high to enable Cabal Coffers.

Mortuary Mire is just a bad Volrath's Stronghold. And I don't have enough to make Mirrorpool worth it. Plus they both enter tapped. :(

February 2, 2016 12:31 p.m.

Drakon562 says... #5

I'm sorry, but i've been seeing Primer everywhere, and I don't know what it means. Could someone please explain?

February 5, 2016 11:18 a.m.

synonimous_ says... #6

February 5, 2016 11:40 a.m.

CuteSnail says... #7

Drakon562 Printer's are the best of a certain deck. In this case, a it's the best Liliana, Heretical Healer  Flip edh deck. Primers go in depth describing the way the deck runs and its advantages. It boils down to a well tuned description that teaches how to build a deck of a certain archetype.

synonimous_ had her in there for a while, but she's not too good in edh, she took up and extra 3CMC slot and has issues working with Liliana, Defiant Necromancer, so I removed her and traded her for the Damnation and Polluted Delta.

February 5, 2016 12:08 p.m.

Sir_Jinx says... #9

Unless you're trying to hurt yourself for some combo I didn't see you don't really need the fetch lands seeing as though your mono colored

February 7, 2016 12:41 p.m.

CuteSnail says... #10

Sir_Jinx: Life is an abundant resource in edh, as such, the advantage that the fetch lands give while paired with Crucible of Worlds or Rings of Brighthearth are well worth their inclusion.

February 7, 2016 1:39 p.m.

enpc says... #11

Not to mention just the idea of thinning your deck. While it's only small increases in efficiency, every little bit helps. playing 4 fetches means that there are potentially 4 less lands in the deck you can draw into.

There are other benefits as well. While this deck doesn't really run delve, it can be very useful having lands in your graveyard to help pay for costs.

They can also provide a good buffer against cards like Relic of Progenitus. Sometimes you have a card you really want to keep in your graveyard and you can effectively "throw the land under the bus" to keep something which will be more valuable to reanimate.

February 7, 2016 7:47 p.m. Edited.

CuteSnail says... #12

Due to an impending trade with canterlotguardian I now need to find a spot for Entomb.

February 9, 2016 11:20 a.m.

Tiddilywinkus says... #13

Needs Goblin Assassin. Just splash some red

February 10, 2016 1:41 a.m.

CuteSnail says... #14

Corey, so help me GOD, I WILL END YOU!

I think I hate Goblin Assassin more than 1/1 bird tokens.

February 10, 2016 1:50 a.m.

chooch says... #15

You're going to want Geth's Grimoire and you're going to want to take necropotence out. I know it sounds crazy, but hear me out. I've lived and learned. Necropotence exiles things you discard... so with Lili this is horrible. The card advantage gained is not enough to warrant messing up your ability to stack your GY. I know it seems crazy to say, but trust me. You will get it into play and go "oh" when you +2 lili and your Sheoldred goes POOF into exile. Instead of Necropotence, might I introduce you to Waste Not. Once you see this puppy in action at a 4 player table, it will be the first thing you tutor for every time.Grim Haruspex or Dark Prophecy will draw you a lot of cards in this deck too.

Unearth is amazing at getting Lili (who is a creature when in the GY, so you let her death resolve there instead of command zone) back into play when your table kills her. Cause they will learn that it is important to kill her.

Also, Lili in her own right is a groan-worthy card sometimes, people hate to discard. I wouldn't worry about the "not being a dick" part so much, because once you get rolling it's going to be you vs the table anyways.

Vampire Hexmage is awesome because she sacs herself, flipping lili... pulls all the counters off someone else's planewalker, then lili can bring it right back into play.

February 10, 2016 3:30 a.m.

CuteSnail says... #16

chooch I'll attempt to do this without being condescending.

I don't have enough discard effects to warrant returning Waste Not or adding Geth's Grimoire.

Necropotence is the best draw effect in the game. In a combo deck such as this, the advantage is brings is unparalleled. Digging for pieces is more important than the the nonbo with Lilana. As such between Phyrexian Arena and Necropotence I don't need to add Grim Haruspex, or Dark Prophecy.

Vampire Hexmage is suppar, as it has to have a target, something with counters, and that isn't too prevalent. It's a subpar Liliana flipper and its just not to useful.

Unearth is bad. A one off limited reanimate. I'd rather run Reanimate.

Sorry for ripping on ya...

February 10, 2016 10:42 a.m.

_SeriosSkies_ says... #17

Vampire hex mage doesn't need a target with counters. It just needs a permanent(removes 0 counters from your swamp) . Though it is pretty weak if your meta doesn't have a super friends list or newzuri.

February 10, 2016 10:52 a.m.

CuteSnail says... #18

I noticed something yesterday: my primer has a giant hole in it. I didn't explain enchantments or sorceries.

February 10, 2016 12:15 p.m.

chooch says... #19

What do you mean "not enough discard effects" the chief thing your commander does is discard things. Do you avoid flipping her? I guess I do not understand what the deck "does".

"I'll try to say this without being condescending", but your primer and list looks a lot like someone who just picked their favorite powerful black cards and combos, not like someone who is building a deck around Liliana's planeswalker fun. Maybe I misunderstand the context of your deck. I was assuming you were trying to optimize the flippy planeswalker, since you had a lengthy intro about Liliana is your favorite, etc. But the inclusion and arguments for Necropotence tell me your priority is about your deck, not the commander. Necropotence is by far the best card draw in black, I completely agree with you. It's just poop with Lili and wasn't sure if you were aware of that or not. I'm sorry you felt the need to be condescending as well, especially since you're not fully aware of the rules. Vamp hexmage doesn't actually need a thing to have counters to target it, which should be obvious to someone as 1337 as yourself. If your meta doesn't have any planeswalkers in it, then yes, hexmage is horrible. Again, something that should be obvious to experienced players.

What you actually have on your hands is an intentionally expensive black combo deck, one of the likes we've seen time and time again. Your focus around your commander is minimal, it's just about your 99.You could swap pretty much any of your mono black legendary creatures and they would make just as much, if not more sense than Liliana. I would argue that none of her planewalker abilities are very relevant for anything your deck seems to be trying to do.

February 10, 2016 5:15 p.m.

@NecroPony: This is a problem. Fix it. Nao. :P

February 10, 2016 5:19 p.m.

CuteSnail says... #21

chooch I was attempting to not be an asshole today. Guess you just pushed my "asshole" button.

This deck is a monoblack reanimator with combo finisher. Liliana is the best general for this as her -3 is powerful. A majority of my creatures can be reused without using her +2. Liliana enables the resource management needed to get the combo.

This deck is not a nice, fun Liliana deck, this is a combo reanimator. Liliana just works best as recurring my 3 drops.

Necropotence's value overrules the nonbo with lili's plus. I also added the disclaimer that is was not a typical primer.Im not trying to be a dick, its just we have different expectations for the deck.

February 10, 2016 6:05 p.m.

I love how you aren't really even being an asshole now, just explaining your position.

February 10, 2016 6:27 p.m.

chooch says... #23

You pushed your own asshole button with your "disclaimer" in your original response. Get over yourself, the reason you feel like it's condescending is because you believe yourself to be above others for whatever reason. I'm not saying you made the deck wrong, I was saying I must have misunderstood your intentions with it, based on your commentary. Do what you like, I'm not trying to stop you.

I was just pointing out that you are sending mixed messages with your post about the deck. To have the aloof attitude to "try not to be condescending" is inherently dickish. Clarify what you mean if you don't want filthy casuals suggesting the "wrong" things.You say "This deck is not a nice, fun Liliana deck, this is a combo reanimator." when in your post you have line "I don't really know how to go about improving the deck, mainly because I'm stuck in this area of "I want the deck to be good, but also I don't want to be a dick." but by all means, keep the suggestions rolling!"

It sounds like you want to win at all costs, so you should stop being insecure about being a dick. People hate losing, that's just how it goes. So own it, spike it up, you have a knack for it.

February 10, 2016 6:40 p.m.

CuteSnail says... #24

Well, I apologize for my mixed messages. The main issue is my lack of understanding what I am willing to do to my meta. I want to win, but I don't want to resort to say, mass land destruction. That and I don't know how to react to "bad suggestions". This is my own fault.

The cards are good, but just not for this specific deck. I'm sorry to have rubbed you the wrong way. I really do appreciate the fact that you took the time to look through the deck and comment.

February 10, 2016 7:01 p.m.

CuteSnail says... #25

Liliana is also the only general I can think of that can repeatedly reanimate things with out exileing them. Barring of course Sheoldred, who draws hate too quickly.

February 10, 2016 7:05 p.m. Edited.

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