Lili's Revelation (Liliana Primer)

Commander / EDH CuteSnail

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VonClause says... #1

I currently only run the one deck. I was looking to construct another monoblack for a little different focus than my Gisa deck. I used to run Balthor the Defiled, which was more focused on reanimation, and ran the mentioned cards. You've put a lot of thought into this general and decklist so I was just wondering what your input was on them. I'm always iffy on Diamond Valley myself as well.

April 8, 2016 6:01 a.m.

Atony1400 says... #2

April 27, 2016 11:43 a.m.

CuteSnail says... #3

Atony1400 if I was going to run a shade variant in addition to Nirkana Revenant, I'd run Liliana's Shade as the etb ability actually gets me something.

As it stands Nantuko Shade is at best just a big body and of little use in this reaninator shell.

April 28, 2016 11:30 a.m.

Atony1400 says... #4

Yeah, I can understand that. Sweet deck though! (I would give you a +1 but I already gave you one a while ago, but I'll still try)

April 28, 2016 12:13 p.m.

thewyzman says... #6

Love Lili, but I use her as a Tiny Leader where she's more powerful ;) but I like much of the build here

May 1, 2016 8:05 a.m.

xxbad.applexx says... #7

Hello, love your deck. Just wondering what the polluted delta is used for?

June 9, 2016 8:45 p.m.

CuteSnail says... #8

xxbad.applexx all of the fetch lands are all good with Crucible of Worlds. They work well with Sensei's Divining Top as well. They also provide minimal deck thining.

June 9, 2016 9:46 p.m.

xxbad.applexx says... #9

Oh okay, thank you.. I'm very interested in building this deck and I have been slowly purchasing all of these cards. Thank you for this.

June 13, 2016 1:34 a.m.

CuteSnail says... #10

If you have any more questions about card selection, or deck operations, don't hesitate to ask!

June 13, 2016 11:55 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #11

Pale Rider of Trostad seems really underwhelming in EDH, especially in a reanimator strategy.

Also, Dance of the Dead is the other Animate Dead, if you're abusing ETBs or continuous effects.

June 16, 2016 7:14 p.m.

CuteSnail says... #12

Daedalus19876 Dance of the Dead seems to have a larger drawback, but still works well with the self sacrificers. I'll consider it.

Pale Rider seems pretty decent at getting things into the grave, which makes it pretty good for reanimator, it's low costs makes it easy to return with Liliana, and it's got a decent body that can't be chumped.

Any suggestions for cuts for Season of the Witch?

June 16, 2016 7:30 p.m.

xxbad.applexx says... #13

I was wondering if Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet or Relentless Dead would be viable for this deck? Or if you ever thought to try it out?

June 19, 2016 1:19 a.m.

CuteSnail says... #14

xxbad.applexx

I was very excited for Relentless Dead when it was spoiled. But playtests at the time showed I tan too few Zombies. Now, zombies are just over a fifth of my creature count it might be better. However, it stl has 2 large flaws that makes me leery to include it.

  • It can only return zombies, which makes it the worst reaninator in the deck, because it isn't as versitile as the rest of my reanimator cards.
  • More importantly: you must have the mana open at the time of death. As it is not a spell, your opponents can see it and plan around it. They can remove your stuff when you're tapped out and your Relentless Dead is effectively useless. That isn't to say don't play it. If you run more Zombies, it'll be more beneficial, and worth running.
  • Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet on the other hand, I overlooked completely when he was spoiled. He's a Leyline of the Void on legs that gets fat. His biggest drawback here is that he's legendary. Liliana can't reanimate legendary creatures, so I tried to limit their frequency here. His abilities are neat, and can quickly create a token swarm, or become a great voltron target, but I feel, ultimately he doesn't do what this deck wants. I'm a little biased, as I don't like Leyline of the Void/Rest in Peace being used on me, so I don't like using them on my friends. Against other grave decks, I'll merely try harder to combo out, rather than ruin our fun. That may be my downfall one day.

    June 19, 2016 5:22 a.m.

    CuteSnail says... #15

    What does everybody think about From Under the Floorboards? Could be a good way to stabilize, gain a handful of life and dudes.

    June 19, 2016 5:26 a.m.

    @NecroPony how well does your deck do with mana ramp? 3 dudes and 3 life for CMC5 is decent but it's really not an include unless you can reliably trigger its Madness cost and sink a ton of mana into it.

    June 20, 2016 10:08 a.m.

    CuteSnail says... #17

    Between recurring the shit out of Burnished Hart, Cabal Coffers and or Liliana of the Dark Realms I rarely have mana issues. At most my issues are "Aww I can't cast Behold the Beyond and then combo out this turn" because even I can't hit 17 mana till late game.

    June 20, 2016 10:49 a.m.

    CuteSnail says... #18

    Thinking of removing To the Slaughter with Oath of Liliana

    July 6, 2016 12:13 p.m.

    CuteSnail says... #19

    Playtests today showed that I rely on Mikokoro for worst case scenario card advantage, and the sanitarium wasn't cutting it. I swapped them out, balance was restored. Just goes to show you that Even after a year and a half playing a deck you can run card with out truly knowing why.

    TL;DR You can learn about your deck even after years of playing it. Also I switched sanitarium for Mikokoro.

    July 22, 2016 11:29 p.m.

    Dredge4life says... #20

    Reckless Spite to replace Ashes to Ashes? Is instant speed better than exile?

    July 23, 2016 12:16 a.m.

    CuteSnail says... #21

    EDH has too much recursion, even in non-reanimator decks. If I need to answer something, I need to make sure it doesn't come back. Generally I don't have to worry about things at instant speed. I'll survive until a wrath or my other sorcery speed removal can deal with it.

    July 23, 2016 12:27 a.m.

    Trashmaster says... #22

    May I suggest Contamination to completely lock out non-black decks and also to function as a pseudo Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. It's a good card for soft locking the board while you recover from a wipe/set up your board and combos.

    July 23, 2016 9:59 p.m.

    CuteSnail says... #23

    Trashmaster, while Contamination is a a neat card, it can be a little cruel. Not saying this deck can't be cruel....the real issue is i don't have enough consistent reanimator to make it a sustainable approach. I tested it out early on in the deck and found it hard to maintain, and I've actually lowered my creature count since then.

    July 24, 2016 10:03 a.m.

    CuteSnail says... #25

    Considering swapping Blood Artist for Cemetery Reaper. Blood artist seems win more, and reaper is a lord that gravehates and gives me blockers.

    August 7, 2016 9:33 a.m.

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