I am unsure if its good enough but the magus of the will is pretty damn cool. It definitely could find a home in many tier 2/3 graveyard decks. I'm trying it out in my graveyard matters version of sidisi built around yawgwin.

Lilbrudder my first thought was Sidisi.

Having 2 yawgmoths will seems really strong and it counts as a creature.

Right I did mean if you deal two instances of combat damage. As we see on Maelstrom Wanderer cascade isn't a redundant keyword like lifelink.

My first thought with this was something similar to narset. Swing, cast something, get World at War/Savage Beating, hit again, cascade all over the place.

Obv more casual than Grixis storm + regrowth but an interesting concept.

Relevant rule: 702.84b If a spell has multiple instances of cascade, each triggers separately.

Personally I would read Yidris as each time you deal damage it would let you get another cascade on each future spell, but honestly that's something I would want to see a ruling on to confirm either way. If it does stack it could be really good.

If that's how it works Savage Beating results in 4x cascade.

That would be...silly, to say the least.

I could definitely see Yidris playing similarly to Narset. I don't think he loses much from not having access to white, and you would get a lot from adding G/B, in the form of more tutors and a lot of acceleration. The problem I see is reliably having the mana (and colors) to cast that first spell and set off the cascade though.

Magus of the Will is probably an upgrade over actual Yawg Will in a deck trying to abuse Necrotic Ooze.

And I do believe that double strike does indeed mean double cascade on spells played after that ogre deals damage.

Makes me wonder if we have another Marath situation.

Yidris stacks. Which seems casual win-more-y, but is still cool.

And apparently Simic gets all the decent partner generals.

Regarding Isumaru:

In most games of competitive multiplayer EDH, the combo decks are going off Turn 3-4, the stax decks are locking the board by T3, and midrange decks have their value engines/hatebears online. In white, Swords/Path/Condemn each take care of Isu for the turn. Black has Ultimate Price and co. Green can turn it into a forest or a treefolk, or, if Isu is lucky, a 3/3 beast. Red can...chaos warp? Blasphemous Act? Blue can bounce him. Then there's vindicate, anguished unmaking, and a slew of other spells. But Isu can be protected. Sitting across from a voltron General, most decks will try to keep at least one piece of removal in their opener.

I will concede that if someone has managed to Necro/AdNaus/Sylvan Library themselves to low life and have managed not to win, I would think Isu could pick them off.

I've never faced Isu, but I have faced Zurgo Worldslayer and Horde, and both have beaten me soundly by coming at me before I was ready (I play fast-combo Sharuum), but the majority of the games they were kept off their commander by their opponents and lost. Voltron will win games. Will it win with the consistency and speed necessary to be Tier 1? Nope. Not with the cards we have now. Isumaru isn't the exception, unfortunately, although he does have a niche pro (being 1 cmc).

I dislike seeing ad hominem attacks and bad rhetoric in this thread. It just doesn't belong here. I think it can be seen that for any commander brought up, there is a way to discuss it properly. Not saying we have to pander, but we ought to respect each other, and especially outsiders, who may not know why things are the way they are here. :)

n0bunga You are deliberately misinterpreting my posts here.

kyuuri117: Oh I totally forgot about the Necrotic Ooze implications. I am officially very excited for Magus. I didn't see your earlier post until just now. Unless you are playing close to 20 creatures and all the one drop mana dorks I wouldn't touch cradle due to the potential for getting screwed with it turn 1 or 2.

mtgThaen: While I agree with you, that conversation definitely strained my patience to the limit. I feel like we have become far more aggressive over much less in the past so perhaps we are making progress lol

One a side note, trying to kill this Isumaru convo, is anyone going through a crisis? I personally only usually buy one of the commander pre-cons but this year i might buy all five!...or at least Breya, Atraxa, and Yidris for sure.

same...

On the Yidris discussion, I think I had another great idea: simply manage to get a cascade trigger from him, then cast a 1 cmc spell (for example Brainstorm or really anything) to cascade into one of the 0cmc suspend spell (Hypergenesis or Living End could be awesome win conditions for example).

Hell, from this perspective we could go 4 colors elfball with Yidris as the commander, we would have an already viable shell (we would need to fix the manabase but that would be pretty easy) with combos available, and more colors to add to our elf suit/cards selection (thinking about Deathrite Shaman and Bloodbraid Elf for now, but I know I am forgetting many...)

By that way we would have enough 1cmc cards to easily cascade into our 0cmc suspend card of choice and that could be an added win condition, else we would simply cascade into more elfs and that would still be good too.

Would it be worth if I start working on a list like this you think?

n0bunga Well either I'm wrong because you think I'm back peddling or I'm wrong because you don't believe the deck can be political.

Choose whichever make you happiest.

thegigibeast

Ive heard talks of Yidris with Hypegenesis and i hope it becomes a thing because competative aside...that seems very fun

The elephant in the room with Voltron strategies is how bad they are against edict effects. Fleshbag Marauder, Custodi Lich, and Merciless Executioner are staple creatures in some decks. Innocent Blood, Dictate of Erebos, and Grave Pact are all heavily played. It's not just that you have to deal a lot of damage to 2/3/4 different players, but the chances of any one of those players having multiple easy answers to your entire gameplan is pretty high.

On yidris: If you can get the manabase right I would love to see storm with green's grave recursion. That would be pretty sweet. Seasons past does cost a lot but so does minds desire.

P.S. I also think it's time for a comment reset

I agree on the reset.

Go for it Gigi. I like it

me too

me too

Thanks I'll start working on this tomorrow. Reset now!

Ok, so there was some nice discussion about Yidris going on ;) about storm and elfball. I will be creating an elfball list and post here later for further optimization,even if the storm deck might be the better tiered one...

And please stop with Isamaru, that discussion was going nowhere...