Hell, her + Krark-Clan Ironworks + Nim Deathmantle or Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle would go infinite!!!

Isamaru guy obviously has a mid/low powered playgroup.

The dog has a very small chance of surviving, much less winning, in a game vs 3 other respectable and competitive decks. Mono-white is just too slow when you need to protect, pump, and manage your opponents at the same time. Stax COULD work, but white has no mana accel outside of artifacts and Old thalia is definitely the better choice.

So, I've been doing some testing with Yidris, and dear goodness. I think it's safe to say he's busted. Like, upper Tier 1 busted. It's best to wait a suitable period to make any lasting judgement though.

Thrasios is pretty bonkers too. He seems a strict upgrade to the previous infinite mana outlets in Nin and Oona. I have an artifact list that is testing fast and clean is both goldfish and live games.

Hi all,

I've been toying with the idea of a BUG only Hermit Druid deck and was wanting to get people's thoughts. The combo is as follows:

1. use Hermit Druid to graveyard your entire library and put Narcomoeba into play.
2. sac HD, Narco and one other creature (like a mana dork) to flashback Dread Return, putting Necrotic Ooze into play.
3. Cards required in the graveyard are: Thornling, Devoted Druid, Quillspike and Thornwind Faeries. You can also add Orochi Leafcaller to this but you don't need to.
4. Pay to give Nooze haste (from Thornling's ability).
5. Tap Nooze for and then untap it by giving it a -1/-1 counter (using Devoted Druid's two abilities).
6. Pay to remove the -1/-1 counter and give Nooze +3/+3 until EoT (using Quillspike's ability).
7. Repeat steps 5 and 6 indefinitely.
8. Tap Nooze to deal 1 damage and then untap it by giving it a -1/-1 counter (using Thornwind Faeries'sss ability and then Devoted Druid's ability)

Since the Nooze will be huge from the multiple instances of +3/+3 you, you can easily keep paying the untap cost. It will die at EoT from all the -1/-1 counters but you've already won by then.

You can also use Orochi Leafcaller's ability in conjunction with Devoted Druid's ability for infinite mana of any colour.

If Tasigur, the Golden Fang is your commander, this then gives you infinite mana to get your whole graveyard back to your hand (minus the lands of course).

What do people think? is it too hard to get up and running or too fragile compared with other combos in the colour?

The idea is that it can be much faster than the typical Tooth and Nail combo. I would also like to hear peoples' thoughts on the best commander to pilot it (assuming it's viable).

Sounds like an upgrade to Mimeoplasm. Plasm already often runs Nooze and/or HD packages due to its natural graveyard synergy (and ability to mimic Druid with Mirror-Mad Phantasm). Unifying the two combos would be a great power bump.

I know this is about multiplayer. But how do you all feel about saskia in French? Pretty strong IMo. Also I had to re read ydria to make sure that's what he said, and that he didn't just storm off like a lunatic (surprise, he does.) Breya is only good because she feeds her own death mantle loops and can also win by herself after she generates the inf mana and tokens. The gay dudes are bad afaik, but he may have some awkward synergy with old cards, or just be better hippo. And atraxa is annoying as fuck in an infect shell, and funny on super friends. as for the partners everything that isn't kydele, ravos or Silas renn is bad sauce. Saskia seems to be the deck to buy anyway though, since you get yawgies on a stick and ravos. (If mythispoiler is to be trusted)

I think as far as partnering goes the best pair might be Thrasios, Triton Hero and Silas Renn, Seeker Adept. Generate infinite mana for Thrasios to win with lab man or something and if you get a combo piece blown up get it back with Silas. Seems pretty good. Not tier 1 by any means, but good.

either of the ug partners would work, and silas just brings a relevant ability to any pairing he is in. mixing these guys will be super fun, but getting them all might prove tedious

the problem I see with Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder is that it's very hard to cast him before turn 4.

I don't see why that would be much of an issue. Green provides ramp and with appropriate color fixing (10 fetches, all the duals, 5 color lands, moxes, gemstone caverns) he can often be dropped turn 3 to swing turn 4. Also storm does not need to cast its general to win most games. He just seems like a strict upgrade in the backup department to Jevela.

So green based Isochron Scepter decks just got a huge boost in benefactors draught. Infinite creature untaps and card draw. My Elfball Leo deck just got alot better. As did Selvala and Yisan, which essentially can 2 card combo with scepter now or just use the draight on its own. That Kydele also gets a nice tool out of the gate.

Lilbrudder i dont think that works in elfball. It untaps your elves for a nice cantripping ritual but it doesnt untap scepter like the dramatic reversal combo so its not infinite through the scepter.

what exactly is elfball?

A generic term for an elf package that builds mana to critical mass, often going infinite through umbral mantle or staff of domination once you have an elf that taps for 4 or 5.

Ah yes you are right. I should probably learn how to read lol.

ok, thanks

ok, thanks

might want to take a second look at Momir Vig, Simic Visionary now that Prophet of Kruphix is banned, at least find a decklist that's not centered around prophet.

Lesser_Gargadon, Try for combos that include Training Grounds. It's nice when your commander's abilities are mana efficient besides when you have infinite mana.

Cryptolith Rite + Pili-Pala + Training Grounds seems like a good start, especially since Grand Architect + Pili-Pala is also very efficient.

Also keep in mind that any partner commander that's running combo gets a boost pretty much instantly since you have access to two extra colors worth of combos even if you never plan on casting the second commander.

enpc, What you posted seems really cool, and if you want to make a deck, go for it.

The decklist in the description I made for Edric, Spymaster of Trest is a Hermit Druid list in just /, so if you want to look at that for ideas be my guest. I found the simplest way to win after using HD was to flashback Memory's Journey for Laboratory Maniac and Gitaxian Probe and then flashback Deep Analysis. That is a little for mana intensive than just using Dread Return ( and 5 life to win), but it's only four deck slots so it might make a good back up if Dread Return gets countered. (With the addition of black there's a slightly cheaper way to do it using Reanimate or something on LabMan, which would be and 7 life.)

Whatever you decide to do, definitely include Yisan, the Wanderer Bard and Chord of Calling to search out HD at end of turn. Best advice I got while making my list was that an unatpped Yisan and six mana is basically a one card combo, since you can search up Quirion Ranger and then Hermit Druid during your opponent's end step, then activate HD during your upkeep and respond by searching out LabMan with Yisan. Move to the draw step and win the game.

NarejED, I like your Yidris list a lot, but I couldn't help tinkering a bit:

Yidris Test copy

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It's still storm, but what I did here was swap out all the -1 net-mana spells (signets, Nature's Lore, etc.) for 1-drop mana dorks and add in a few haste granters (Mass Hysteria, Concordant Crossroads, Lightning Greaves). The dorks and the signets are basically equivalent, but the haste granters go a ways toward solving the problem that _person_ brought up, about needing to cast Yidris before going off.

With this version you have the option to begin storming the same way you would in Grixis storm, dig for a haste granter, sink all your floating mana into Yidris and your boardstate, move to combat to get Yidris's cascade trigger, and then continue storming second main phase.

I think that might make the deck a little bit faster. Give it a playtest and let me know what you think.

(I also threw in Ancestral Vision, since it's gas you're likely to cascade into, and that's just adorable.)

Hotcake_Gotsyrup, I think you're undervaluing some of the partner commanders a bit. Thrasios, Triton Hero has been mentioned for combo, and Reyhan, Last of the Abzan looks very interesting as well. There's definitely some sac loop potential there; not sure what yet, but it's there.

I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to comment on it according to the rules here, considering I threw together a fairly optimized list for her, but I'd be interested to see folks discuss Atraxa as a stax/stasis engine. I think she has some advantages to Derevi

Except she isn't derevi :P

In all seriousness though, you're fine to discuss her, as long as you're objective. She seems good, maybe T3 tho.

DarknutNoir, That rule is really more to keep people from posting deck that they've played for a long time and have personal attachment and bias towards.

If you feel you brewed something good, especially for a just spoiled commander, then feel free to post it.

Yeah, Atraxa seems extremely promising. Abzan Boonweaver + blue with a moderately effective backup win condition in the form of Atraxa beats during a Stasis lock.

I'm not sure how consistent it can be yet, but she can threaten a pretty early lock with Crystalline Crawler and Stasis. Apart from that and some other Sunburst synergies, she has access to black, which means more tutors as well as Kaya, Ghost Assassin, which adds additional pathways to a Venser-based Stasis lock as well as additional utility. Once in the lock, she is a flyer with vigilance and decent P/T, so she represents a turn-clock on her own against a lot of boardstates.

With all that said, I'm still not sure how much her four color identity will impact her consistency. I'm not sure how resilient she would be to spot removal, either, though it has Academy Rector -> Eldritch Evolution as an alt-wincon.

A minor advantage/disadvantage is that her utility isn't reliant on an ETB, so can cast her once and be good, and she doesn't lose to Torpor Orb/Hushwing.

@sonnet666 Ah, I see; I didn't want to step on any toes, so thanks for the clarification. Here is the list I put together thusfar: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/renewable-resources-atraxa-toolbox-stax/

I felt like building her Boonweaver would lead to a worse Karador, but I haven't experimented with it/seen it done yet, so it's too early to say. Could definitely be good. I think her home is with stax/stasis + something else, though, whether that means Boonweaver or Living Plane combo or what