Grixis storm is what is tier 1 so I don't think there should be two grixis storm decks in tier 1. We should just go with whichever commander ends up being better and the other can be re tiered as not storm possibly.

On personal note: I ran into an ad nauseum and I'm willing to try it in a deck. Which deck uses it best? I like BUG and BU.

For Ad Nauseam? Storm ;)

How about Sidisi, Undead Vizier? here's a deck that though frail, costs nearly nothing, and uses Ad Nauseam as a combo piece! Sidisi's Sickening Combo

I would says that that your deck is garbage but I must confess that this is the only gimmick deck that I have ever lost to =P

Not sure if this is the most optimized list, but I threw together a version of combo Thrasios. Was wondering if someone could offer feedback on it to see if it is or, if not, what need be changed to make it approach tier one. I feel like it definitely has some room for fine tuning. The idea is to hit infinite colorless, filter it with Candelabra or Gemstone Array, cast Silence, then Blue Sun the table, with Lab Man as a backup.

Deck list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-triton-hero-we-deserve-competitive-edh-combo/

So I have a question that might come out as multiple questions. So, on the topic of new commanders from c16, three have been thrown around as potential tier one: Breya,Yidris, and Thrasios. While Breya might end up as high tier two potentially, Yidris and Thrasios seem to be tier one, although I feel is too early to make that assumption on Yidris without more testing, he does seem capable of doing it. This question is about Thrasios however. If Thrasios is tier one then what deck would be tier one with him piloting the helm? I've heard that he is going to be used as a four color, better Tasigur, although personally I agree with this I still do not like the idea of adding white and will personally just be doing sultai for him with Silas Renn. Yet, I have seen plenty of arguments and some decklist sprinkled about for four color Thrasios but going the Boomweaver route as a better Karador. I have seen decklist for both and they both seem plenty viable the question is will, Thrasios be tier one as the better Tasigur or tier one as the better Karador?

I really don't think Thrasios should be tier 1. My friend has spent about a week trying to brew a deck around him and every other decent partner general, and it's not going so well. I'm unsure that Thrasios can be consistent enough for a tier 1 placement. I'd put him in tier 2 at best.

Really? That is very suprising. Hes basically better than Tasigur at everything but body size and the occassionaly political play. What issues is he facing?

In other news, I have a random rule question. Lets say I exile 25 cards with Necropotence and put them in my hand at my end step. Assuming one of those cards is Chain of Vapor and I have the U to cast it, can I bounce my Necropotence before I discard to keep my cards from being exiled?

I haven't had a lot of experience with him myself, so it could just be that my friend is just a crappy deckbuilder...

I'd probably disregard my opinion until we can test some more.

Lilbrudder - That works. Necro puts that cards in your hand at the beginning of the next end step, so you have priority before going to the cleanup step, which would be when you would discard down to hand size.

I think the answer is yes if you state before the discard is in set, in response to necropotence trigger you bounce necropotence.

513.1. First, all abilities that trigger at the beginning of the end step or at the beginning of the next end step go on the stack. (See rule 603, Handling Triggered Abilities.) #

513.1a Previously, abilities that trigger at the beginning of the end step were printed with the trigger condition at end of turn. Cards that were printed with that text have received errata in the Oracle card reference to say at the beginning of the end step or at the beginning of the next end step. #

513.2. Second, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities. #

513.3. If a permanent with an ability that triggers at the beginning of the end step enters the battlefield during this step, that ability wont trigger until the next turns end step. Likewise, if a delayed triggered ability that triggers at the beginning of the next end step is created during this step, that ability wont trigger until the next turns end step. In other words, the step doesnt back up so those abilities can go on the stack. This rule applies only to triggered abilities; it doesnt apply to continuous effects whose durations say until end of turn or this turn.

Thats good to hear. Thank you :-)

I'm offended by the Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis comment haha! Group hug is the ultimate challenge as you are accelerating everyone else also. Multiplayer is very political, no one tries to kill the group hug, you save most of your resources for the last guy because you usually make it to the last 2. I made one (changed from 5 to 4 colour now thanks to tiro) and it is a ton of fun to change the game by saving people and helping the ones who get a bad start. I made one because after making over 50 commander decks I was ready for something new lol. Don't knock a group hug until you have played and won multiple games with one. Tier 4 would be more accurate imho.

On a side note the group hug comes in handy when I playtest over 20 deck in one game lol

Just to remember. The French Duel Commander banlist has been updated. Yawgmoth's Bargain is now legal, Serra Ascendant is now legal, Grindstone is now legal, Necropotence is now legal, and Balance is now legal. Could someone please update Duel Commander decks Legality?

This is strictly multiplayer

Where should I post it?

As far as I know there is no tier list for dual commander on tappedout.

Pretty late, but you can bounce Necro before your end step and it still works. From gatherer:

6/8/2016: Necropotences last ability creates a delayed triggered ability that will put the exiled card into your hand. That ability still triggers even if Necropotence is removed from the battlefield before your end step.

So you can activate its ability, bounce it with some sorcery speed ability, then still get the cards without having to exile them.

pretty sure the necrop question was answered.

On the other hand, What list were we using for Atraxa's t3? I know superfriends does exists but Im pretty sure a-stax-a works and HD+doomsday seems viable. Can I get an explanation and possibly a decklist for reference please? Thanks.

@chaosumbreon87 im pretty sure all of the new listings are just place holders until lists are out and optimized

@chaosumbreon87 But if you're looking for a fairly competitive list, I spent a bit of time tuning this when she was spoiled: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/renewable-resources-atraxa-toolbox-stax/

I'm not sure if this is what it will look like completely optimized by minds greater than mine, but I hope this helps.

thanks. as custom, heres my attempted atraxa HD: atraxa

URL: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/25-10-16-yGu-atraxa/

been messing around with yawgwin after hd shell but need to cut 13 now. Before the yawg backup, I goldfished expected win: T4.1 out of 20 games so i figure that thats a t7ish tier 2 for now.

Now, time for the listing of all those 15 partners! I would need help placing them, because as far as I know we mainly discussed Thrasios, which I think will end up tier 2 for now, but what about the others? Are they all tier 3/4???

Partner commanders alone IMHO:

Akiri, Line-Slinger: tier 4

Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder: tier 4

Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper: tier 4

Ishai, Ojutai Dragonspeaker: tier 3 (seems strong with kraum or either simic partner)

Kraum, Ludevic's Opus: tier 3 (seems like jhoira chaos but more norin and more reward for chaos)

Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix: tier 3 (might be bumped to t2 since zeg shenanigans)

Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist: tier 4 (political chaos [dont start the joke] so might bump to tier 3)

Ravos, Soultender: tier 3 (reanimator?)

Reyhan, Last of the Abzan: tier 4 (can bump to t3 possibly with ishal)

Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa: tier 4 (t3 possible since we can build our own doran)

Silas Renn, Seeker Adept: tier 3-4

Tana, the Bloodsower: tier 3 (purph and panharm?)

Thrasios, Triton Hero: tier 2-3

Tymna the Weaver: tier 3

Vial Smasher the Fierce: tier 4

hesitant to outright call any t5. Way too many options atm for my opinions on partner combinations.

I had an interesting thought the other day. Vial smasher paired with a U/x commander and then take infinite turns. Each turn you deal damage but infinite turns means opponents just die.

Thoughts?