Thanks for the pointer to my Breya Ad naus list. I've been working on it and playing it for a couple months; so far, I think there's a few things I can say for sure:

1. Breya needs to have ad naus, doomsday, and necro.
2. The artifact based combos (reliant on krark-clan ironworks, and maybe eldrazi displacer or nim deathmantle) are categorically worse than the worldgorger dragon and bomberman combos.
3. There's a lot of interaction/board presence available with just Breya herself, the card. There's less stack interaction than a Zur list, but more ability to fight through on-board hate.

I don't know if we've found the ultimate list yet, but I'm pretty sure what we've got now puts Breya at about Tier 1. Not the top of Tier 1, but, I don't feel disadvantaged against anything but Zur.

Lilbrudder

As luck would have it coinman just released a primer here

I know of a very good Angry Omnath list, if you are interested in it. It's a landfall combo list that seems like the best way to run Om_rath.

Also, I will continue to advocate for Silumgar, the Drifting Death to move down to tier 4 unless I'm missing something..

Looks solid otherwise, I'll probably look over it in the nigh future and will comment on anything. :)

@Triton I would not put demoting Silumgar, the Drifting Death at the top of anybody's priority list. But I agree, he's basically a general with out good stats, a cheap cost, or a relevent ability. The only thing he has going for him is good colors, so I thinky we could see a tier five demotion. But, eh...

TheMarcus - Silumgar's ability is quite relevant: with the pervasive number of mana dorks in the format, one swing can wreck a board state.

Voted in NarejED's thing. Glad to see Nath getting some love.

Triton, Silumgar, the Drifting Death is an aggro based deck that repeatedly wipes your opponent's boards of creatures before they can block. Those things fit together suuuper well in a non-competitive setting. How is that not Tier 3?

Sure, the deck is super unpopular because you need to include changelings and other weird cards, but that doesn't mean it's not viable. I would not recommend demoting him.

I think we should take a second to talk about some of the AR spoilers, because there are already a lot of commander relevant cards.

For starters, we already have three new mono-colored commanders: Yahenni, Undying Partisan, Rishkar, Peema Renegade, and Sram, Senior Edificer.

While I definitely wouldn't include it in the 99 of any other sac-based deck, Yahenni is interesting for being a free sac-outlet in the command zone, something that Ayli demonstrated is effective as way to continuously cycle ETB effects in a reanimation deck. Yahenni is at a slight disadvantage from not having white's suite of reanimation effects, but the fact that Yahenni is a free altar opens the deck up to more combo potential. Could move up or down depending on what people come up with.

Rishkar seems like a decent source of ramp, although the counters theme seems to be pulling the deck in multiple directions. Will likely be effective in the 99 of many decks, such as Atraxa, Ghave, new-Ezuri, Mimeo, Vorel, and maybe Animar. I'm interested to see what people think of for him.

Sram is the first low CMC commander that draws cards in mono-white that we've ever seen, which by itself is probably enough to make him better than every other mono-white commander and get a spot in T3. The early mock-p I've seen for him so far have involved flooding the deck with 40% equipment and using mana reducers to make them cost 0, then voltron-ing out. A little one dimentional, but there's no reason it wouldn't work. There's also the possibility of trying to turn him into a recursive draw engine with something like Cloudstone Curio + two auras.

I'm going to suggest that they all be placed in T3 to start with.

Now for the 99 cards:

Glint-Sleeve Siphoner, Not quite a poor man's Dark Confidant, since energy is still an unreliable mechanic, but at worst it's drawing you a card every other turn. Could fit into decks that were already running some of the other energy cards, or ones with a heavy proliferate theme (Atraxa).

Industrial Tower, A new rainbow land that comes into play untapped an is going to be online in 90% of commanders decks. New auto-include?

Inspirational Monuments, Link, This is interesting because it is essentially an Earthcraft/Cryptolith Rite for artifacts in every color. It's less combo-y since you're just casting spells with it, but from a ramp perspective this could be phenomenal in non-green decks with heavy artifact themes. (I just voted Purphoros down, because I run him, and I've been noticing lately that he can't match the speed of the other commanders in T2, but this card could really help with his mana issues.)

Rishkar's Expertise, This looks fantastic. Not only are there are lots of Green decks that go in on Soul's Majesty effects (Omnath 1.0, Ezuri 2.0), but this one lets you play something for free out of the oodles of cards you just drew. That's fantastic tempo, and more than makes up for it costing 6 mana IMO.

Mechanized Production, It's an upkeep trigger, and there's no good way to cheat it in at EOT, so it's not going to cut it in any competitive metas, but this is one of the most attainable alternate win-cons that's been printed recently. Any deck that makes routinely artifact tokens is going to be able to satisfy this, so if Felidar Sovereign was at all playable in your meta, this will be too.

Renegade Rallier, Hey look! Saffi got a new combo piece. And we just demoted her too...

Merchant's Porter, Not the most impressive card spoiled so far, but at 1-mana initial investment this could make a nice draw/filter engine for blue draw-go control decks on turns that there wasn't anything worth countering.

Metallic Mimic, We all know that tribal decks suck and are an exercise in restricting yourself, but it's worth noting that this is another 2 CMC scarecrow for Reaper King.

Winding Constrictor, This little guy has huge amounts of potential, and a low enough cost to actually make its way into a lot of decks. Off the top of my head: new combo piece for Ghave, doubles counters in Atraxa, and doubles your EXP gain in Meren.

And of course, we already discussed how amazing Paradox Engine and Whir of Invention are before the comment sweep.

Before the comment sweep someone was saying that the Daretti list in the description is from 2014 and could use an update, so I took a crack at it:

Updated Daretti

Commander / EDH* sonnet666

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Not that much has changed though, honestly. It is mono-red after all. I just added some of the new utility lands that fit the deck well, and Alhammarret's Archive since it turns Daretti's +2 into a draw engine.

Since there's wasn't much to change I left Paramount's original description and a link to the facebook page, but it might better to use this in the description here so we're not making people view the decklist on facebook.

And after reading the deck primer, it's pretty clear that this list was hurt by the mulligan change. A lot of the deck is focused around using your mulligans to get Daretti out turn 2 in order to keep him from being countered. Not sure if the competitive metas will still aggressively counter something like Daretti if he were to come out a turn later, but nevertheless it still slows down the deck a little.

sonnet666 "Tribal decks suck"

Excuse me, but I'd like a word with you.

Works for me! The current Daretti list has definitely been a point of complaint from a lot of sources. Any tuned list is a welcome replacement, and your submission definitely fits that bill. Added!

As for the legendaries spoiled thus far, I agree on all your placements.Nnothing jumps out as terribly strong. Sram could have been an excellent commander if his ability procced off artifacts instead the things that it does. As is, he feels lower tier 3. Rishkar has a bit of potential as a combo/creature storm commander, sort of like a weaker Seton, Krosan Protector (another commander that might need to be moved up). Rishkar feels tier 3, as does Yahenni.

Out of the cards spoiled thus far, Whir of Invention and Paradox Engine still have the most competitive potential. Both will end up in multiple high-power decks. Beyond that, there are a few niche cards. As you said, Renegade Rallier will be excellent in Saffi combos (and possibly Boonweaver by extension). Metallic Mimic is yet another combo piece for Ghave that has the upsides of being low-cost, low color, and being tutorable by a wide range of spells thanks to its card types.

@Lilbrudder: Yeah, the survey is by no means an end-all for placement changes. It just helps get a feel for popular opinions. It also helps advocate changes that should already be obvious, like moving Ruric up to Tier 2.

Exciting to see tier 3 list. Makes this tier system very robust, because now the line between tier 2 and 3 is much more testable with tuned decklists.

I wonder if Rishkar, Preema Renegade could work as part of Animar's 99? Best case scenario, you get to cast him for 1 mana and he allows Animar plus two other creatures to tap for green, kind of making him a green Dark Ritual. He also has good interactions with Wirewood Symbiote.

AzamiLadyofScrolls, I was being hyperbolic. My apologies.

I love the flavor of your deck though n0bunga :)

Overal I like having tier 3 lists but it might also be worth considering that "less is more," for two reasons. First, quality control can be an issue if every commander has a list in t3. Second, there's a huge range of power levels in tier 3, from commanders that are just barely competitive, to straight-up jank like Vorel of the Hull Clade (which is fine as is in tier 3, but it is quite janky).

The list could be limited to some of these criteria:

• Top-of-tier 3 lists like Titania, Protector of Argoth,Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, and Saffi Eriksdotter
• Lists for popular commanders that people ask a lot of questions about, e.g. Omnath, Locus of Rage.
• Lists that aren't just worse versions of tier 1-2 lists. (E.g. the t3 sliver commanders.)

I'm more of a fan of just limiting to the first and third criteria, but others may want the 2nd one too.

Anyone have any thoughts on that?

I like all three, #2 in particular since we keep getting "why isn't this tier 2?" It would be nice to point them at a list

What do you guys think of the green expertise in Yidris?

Combat, hit, cast expertise, cascade, resolve expertise, draw 5, cast cmc 5, cascade, resolve cmc 5.

Uhhhh what the actual fuck?

Heh. You guys remember all those comments that go along the lines of: "[Insert mono-blue commander here] should be Tier 2. It is tangentially related to combos and can function as a control deck." Now we can point to this card and tell them to shove it :)

This just seems insane. Modern especially but tbh my first thought was Azami. He's a wizard and drawing cards when you counter and Azami has such a high density of counters.

I believe that the cost reduction will be more important. The looting is just a bonus. I don't think we have had a mono-blue wizard that reduces cost; only Electromancer. It should help Azami and a few spellslingers get through Sphere effects.

Lol seriously?!?!?! Apparently some blue mage at WOTC lost a game to a non blue deck once and they made this set to address this tragedy... FFS Lets make every deck in cEDH blue and call it a day. Maybe Sheldon should ban yisan and then release Tinker to keep things from getting out of hand...

It's just...... amazing

Azami players all cried out at once.

With 3 autoinclude cards from this set (Baral, Paradox Engine, and Whir of Invention) and the recent Dramatic reversal Azami is seriously making a comeback as a top tier contender. It is too early to make any definitive decisions, but she is definitely in the top 5 of tier 2 at this point in time IMO.

Well uh, Baral's going in Azami decks, I reckon when he's not becoming the bane of casual tables.

Holy cow that card is so pushed. Disgusting commander and good in the 99 of a lot of decks.