Hope would be amazing in Silas. Swing, sac revive. Powers your stax engine 50% of the time for just one mana every two turns. Seems great to me. In casual games, anyway.

Is Selvala, Heart of the Wilds Primal Surge a thing?

Hope kind of reminds me of Xantid Swarm. It procs on damage instead of combat, and doesn't prevent flash creatures, and it requires sacrifice, but it extends the prevention through the entire turn cycle. Plus it has a lower color requirement. I could see it going in Meren. Possibly Karador. I'm not sure if any combo decks want it as protection, but it's certainly a possibility.

Would have to be non-white as Silence is pretty dope as is.

Maybe Hope could see play in Edric, Spymaster of Trest?

n0bunga: I'm impressed with the amount of work you've put into your Breya deck. Really nice write up, I actually LOLd reading it. I just think it's not the most competitive list. Which is fine, it looks fun to play!

So Hope of Ghirapur is going to be good in the 99 of a lot of decks, but how will it be as a commander? It may be too early, but I think that given its color identity, stats, and effect that's only useful after combat damage, I think we can tentatively set it as tier 4. I could see an argument made for it being tier 3 though since that's where Karn is and I imagine that deck construction would be similar (only with less big artifacts). Any thoughts? Too early to tell?

Just a note, almost anything that can sac itself goes into a Meren deck.

Hey guys, I'm not sure if this is a cardinal sin for this but could you look at my AStaxa HD deck and tell me whether or not it is cEDH playable?

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Why is Sliver Queen Tier 2 while Sliver Overlord is Tier 3? That's backwards in my experience, but I'm probably wrong. Could someone explain it to me?

Because Sliver Queen goes infinite easily whereas Sliver Overlord is an 8 mana creature tutor.

But the Overlord can just tutor for the Queen which can in turn still go infinite. Doesn't the versatility count for something?

The problem is the infinite combo in the command zone is a lot more efficient than the tutor. Waiting a turn or spending 5-7 mana to combo off makes it less efficient to me.

Fair enough. I guess in true, competitive EDH, the efficiency just really is that important! Thanks!

Well, to be fair, Sliver Queen wouldn't be a devoted sliver deck, so even the best tribe in magic is still not as good as a mediocre infinite combo deck in commander.

Azami is pretty good tribal and stands against decent combos, krenko not as much but worth mentioning

@Ifeno it's better to pay 5 mana for part of your win condition than to spend 13 mana for that sane part of your win condition (8 mana tutoring plus another 5 for the queen herself). Pretty straightforward.

If Overlord is just being used to tutor part of your wincon, which is a 5c legendary creature, then why not just run it in the command zone?

If Overlord is not being used to tutor your wincon, then why play it? How are you winning the game?

That is why Overlord is worse.

The best tribe in magic IS a mediocre infinite combo deck in commander - Azami wizard tribal with Mind Over Matter.

"mediocre"

triggered

MEDIOCRE?!

And damnit people, we JUST did a comment reset!

p0megranates for slivers it depends on your deck build. If you build a deck around infinite mana combo then sliver overlord is better. Bc win infinite mana I can do everything.

With sliver queen as she is a better Aggro/creature combo deck it's not letting you tutor dork the pieces you need. In either case u are still waiting until u can combo off to cast ur commander.

Leo elfball is decent (strong tier 2), but yeah...Leo is better off not going that route. Competitive Azami isn't really wizard tribal. It has what 15 creatures in the deck? In my opinion the best Tribe for cEDH by far is human reanimator tribal.

It is important to keep in mind that most cEDH decks are not really built around its commander much. To do so is often a liability. Even Zur is usually just Necropotence in the command zone. Sliver queen is simply better to have in a non sliver deck, but no competitive deck would run either if not for the colors. Now that 4 color generals exist I feel like most 5 color decks have lost most of thier luster. That 5th color really adds very little and it strains the mana base horribly. I see very little reason to keep Scion in tier 1 as a 5 color combo placeholder as most 4 color brews will be faster with almost no drawbacks. Heck even food chain Tazri is a 4 color deck.

@ZomBee_Hunt Obviously who is better depends on how you build it. But building Sliver Overlord that way is competitively inferior to building Sliver Queen the other way. Hence, Sliver Queen is t2 and the others slivers are not. The ranking of the sliver commanders is fine as it remains. That's all I'm saying really.

Anyway, to put this tribal thing to rest, I think cEDH players can all agree that the three best tribal decks in commander are:

• Blazing fast combo tribal
• Mana/resource denial tribal
• A little bit of both of the above tribal

Azami is among the best tribal themed decks, but wizards as a tribe aren't nearly as supported as slivers, guys.

And girls.

And here is where I was hoping to make a joke about the fact that guys outnumber girls 4:1 in the community (if not more), but it's actually legitimately sad. Why so few girls?