We could also rename the banned tag to TierBanned to removed it from the top left.

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Thank you for the feedback. I completely understand what you mean by the deck not making the cut, I really wanted to test my deck-building skills in trying to translate one of my favorite decks into one of my favorite formats.

I'll scrape the deck and try to think of something more . . . relevant in the format for the deck. Been super busy though(Working in a hotel leaves little time until weekends) Once I get the chance, I'll brew up a few decks so that our tier 3 commanders can have some lists.

Once again, thank you for the feedback, it's very enlightening, and after the play test on X-mage for the deck, I have found all the issues you talked about, I can only really shut down one player, but the other two usually proceed to destroy me.

NarejED, I have updated/playtested my Paradox Arcum deck and would now like to submit it as a possible replacement for the current List. It is notably faster and more consistent than the more traditional stax build. Feedback is welcome!

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I do like this list, don't get me wrong! I think you've done a great job so far. There are, however, a few cards out of place.

Narset, Enlightnened Master T2? Yeah, right.

And T3 is a complete mess. To put Generals like Hanna Ship's Navigator, Rafiq of the Many, Xenagos and Xiahou-Dun on the same power level as Progenitus, Karametra and Doran the Siege Tower is just plain wrong.

But once again, thanks for putting something like this together :)

Aah, the shit sandwich. Small note, try to have the first loaf be more blatantly a compliment ;P

In the wake of the 'new' mulligan rules, Narset became less consistent. More openers with bulky extra turn spells and whatnot. This is the fundamental reason for her relegation to Tier 2.

Tier 3 does indeed contain a wide range of power levels, but (I believe) it is more a function of being notable better than Tier 4 (which is already the not-completely-terrible section) but not particularly competitive. Because most/a lot of Tier 3 is not 'taken seriously' and/or brewed around, we mostly theorize what the optimal strategy would be.

I hope my rambling answered your question(s). I do not feel like editing my post, so a conversation about any follow-ups would be preferable to preemptively writing out more stuff.

Narset is well placed in tier 2. Putting her in the same tier as Zur the Enchanter and Thrasios, Triton Hero would be utterly ridiculous. At tier 1.5 we have generals like The Gitrog Monster and Sidisi, Undead Vizier, which are noticeably faster and more consistent than Narset in her one trick pony show. Then we have Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Yisan, the Wanderer Bard which are much more versatile and resilient than Narset.

Tier 3 is a jumble, but I think most of the comtriburers to this list are not really too focused on anything above tier 2.

What if he was saying that Narset should be lower than tier 2? It's really hard to tell either way because his comment was so vague.

Ya that comment was strange bc i couldnt tell from the context whether he meant those commanders were over or under-rate lol. I agree that if you play against Sidisi a few times you'll see why Narset is 2. If you want to be an uninteractive fast combo deck with only a Plan A you had better be the fastest at the table. Narset just isn't. Shes still a fine, playable competitive commander.

Sorry if this is too off topic, but I figured this would be the best place to ask this.

In your professional opinions, if planeswalkers were allowed as commanders, which ones (if any) would be tier 1 or 1.5 or even banned?

Curious where the Nephilm would stack here.I know they're not technically legendary but they seem exploitable, especially with four colors

MagicalHacker - Well, looking through the list of Planeswalkers, I would say that Teferi has the mettle to be Tier 1 ;P
More serious answer: Tezzeret the Seeker might be able to do similar-ish shenanigans to Arcum. JtMS can probably just out-value opponents, then win with High Tide or something (though not being able to flashback High Tide makes him weaker than Jace VP). Jace Beleren is a personal Howling Mine, so he has that going for him. Beleren would probably end of in 2.5 or upper 3, though. Dack Fayden is similar to both Jaces in that he can help out-values opponents. Since he can also play red, he could probably go with a 'Midrange Spellslinger' build, like Mizzix or Melek. However, without the cost reduction/copying, I do not know what he would bring to the table. Probably also a Tier 3 commander because he is value without purpose.

yay! we (you, I just post unhelpfull comments) fixed the ordering!

Liliana Vess would be a weaker Sidisi.

Garruk, Primal Hunter is a Soul's Majesty in the command zone.

Garruk Wildspeaker can untap Gaea's Cradle and Deserted Temple every turn.

Nissa, Vital Force can also untap Cradle, but has the added bonuses of turning it into a creature for easy Umbral Mantle/Staff of Domination/Sword of the Paruns combos; with an Eternal Witness effect thrown in for good measure. Not to mention ult-ing her is actually feasible. This would definitely be competitive, tier 2 or 2.5 probably, and I kinda want to make it now...

Nissa, Worldwaker isn't as good, but plays for 1 mana essentially.

Liliana of the Veil would be pretty good as a stax/discard/reanimator general.

Sarkhan Unbroken has great colors, and if you have Doubling Season out and the right dragons in your deck, you can play, ult him, and win on the spot.

Elspeth Tirel and Elspeth, Sun's Champion are pretty good in commander already, though a little limited by the mono-W color identity. Elspeth Tirel would have a grindy stax plan with everything that makes token copies of things as tech, while Elspeth, Sun's Champion would just be tokens.

Playing a game against Karn Liberated would literally (figuratively) make me want to kill myself. The fact that he can deal with any permanent type from the command zone is probably enough to push him into T2.5 despite being a colorless general.

I could see Kiora, Master of the Depths making it to the comp tiers based off of color identity alone. Untapping a creature and land can be pretty useful even if it's only once per turn (or not: Gaea's Cradle + Kiora's Follower + The Chain Veil = infinite loyalty, infinite mana, infinite activations of another PW, and you can ult on the last activation even though her ult sucks.)

Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast could make a pretty interesting stax/value general similar to Shattergang Brothers. Having sac fodder is great in black, and destroying artifacts is pretty relevant at higher levels of play.

Tamiyo, Field Researcher has great colors, a non restrictive cost, and if you can actually build into her +1, the potential to draw a ton of cards. I could see her acting similar to Edric, Spymaster of Trest.

Arlinn Kord  ^Flip would be an actually fun Werewolf commander, which is cool, but not really competitive. Maybe T3.

I figure having an All Is Dust in the command zone is pretty nice, so Ugin, the Spirit Dragon would probably make it to T3.

Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded is obviously OP banworthy. I mean, just look at the guy. Discard a card at random? For only 2 mana? He break the meta in half, no question.

Lastly, Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker makes it to T1 just because of how much cooler he'd be than Jeleva as a placeholder for Grixis Storm.

I think Sorin Markov could probably be way too powerful.

Set to 10 from the command zone repeatedly is pretty rough to deal with.

Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas would likely be a strong commander because of his ability to filter and the potential to one-shot someone with enough artifacts.

Thanks everyone for the input! For the most part, it seems like it's unlikely that any would be banned for being too powerful (maybe for being too unfun, as with Sorin Markov), and only a handful would be tier 1.5 or higher, right?

Tibalt only costs two mana!? TWO!? I'm done. Format's broken.

I'm going to see about making a Tibalt EDH deck for the lulz. I'll post it here when it's done.

I'll work on OG Sorin

I started designing my Tibalt deck, but i'm already lost on what to do with it. If y'all have any ideas that'd be great. Tibalt, Fiendish Commander

How good would Ajani Vengeant stax and Liliana of the Veil stax be?

I feel Liliana of the Veil would bee a pretty good option. Tier 2.5 maybe probably 3. Ajani Vengeant I think just would be kinda slow maybe tier 3.

Liliana of the Veil stax would probably be like Braids, Cabal Minion stax - banned immediately for being unfun for casual players.

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Ashiok seems t2.5 worthy and saheeli seems dec (sorry for double post, been up for 53 hours now)