Lilbrudder that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification!

Lilbrudder that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification!

aight guys. I tried to make a fast, powerful Shirei deck: this

u like?

aight guys. I tried to make a fast, powerful Shirei deck: this

u like?

illumfolly, needs Infernal Darkness, and I'd prefer if you had a gameplan beyond "make things come back from the yard a lot." Can you think of any combos that fit? Mike&Trike might work, especially since Triskelion can function with Shirei to clear out your opponent's boards in between turns, but the deck would need more of a reanimator subtheme to support it. You can definitely cut a lot of the 3 and 4 mana stuff, like Disciple of Phenax and Falkenrath Noble.

enpc that is exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned making alternate lists. You did a great job of streamlining and not being attached to cards or lines of play, which can be really difficult when evaluating your own deck, so good job, really nice work.

I think the cards you cut are also really great examples of how paper lists often look different than in-theory, competitive, "optimized" lists. There are certain cards that are super fun and interactive to play with in real life, like Titania or Gift of Immortality from your list, that you don't want to cut from you deck because of advantages they afford you, the player, like fun or meta advantages, but become slightly outclassed when you move into a vacuum with no budget, where all you're trying to do is just win as quickly as you can. That doesn't mean it wrong or non-competitive for players to play those cards, just like players aren't non-competitive if their decks don't look exactly like the lists posted here. It just just means that the cards they're playing are affording them different advantages than what is generally considered optimal.

Anyway, discourse over, you should totally port your primer over to the new list, or link back to your other decklist, or both. (Also, I love your Wrath of God alter, definitely keep that included.)

Lastly, and this may just be me, but I totally think you could keep Crucible of Worlds in the streamlined version, especially if you freed up some u-land slots for Wasteland, Tectonic Edge and maybe Dust Bowl. Do you really need Mikokoro, Center of the Sea and Miren, the Moaning Well? The life isn't really worthwhile, and the Altar of Dementia combo kills people just as easily when you pass the turn. Also, neither Mikokoro or Selvala are really card advantage like you say in your primer, they're card parity. Card advantage, at least in my book, is only when you get more cards than your opponents.

sonnet666: Thank you for your kind words :D it's good to know I'm heading the right direction.

I will definately be keeping my Wrath of God Alter (I need to get a higher res version of it done). Also, as a side note, I finally got the D.Va cute spray last night, thank you Zarya for ulting next to my mech :P

I'm not sure if I will do a primer for this one or just a simple breakdown and link to the primer in my main one (and from my main one to this deck). The other thing is that the primer is a quite out of date. I was thinking of talking about different builds in the new version I've been writing (for the last 12 months, real life has been super busy this last year) and then just talking about the basics of the combo in the cEDH one.

As for the deck itself, I had considered including Crucible of Worlds / Wasteland / Tectonic Edge (which is better than Dust Bowl) but was on the fence about it. Could be worth including though. Miren, the Moaning Well is just another sac outlet on a land which is super usefule for things liek Academy Rector.

Mikokoro and Selvala are carry-overs to help deal with opponent's reshuffle effects. I'm not sure how common these are so I thought I would leave them in (at worst Mikokoro is a colourless land) and with typically lower land counts, Selvala should be tapping for ~3 mana a hit. Though I am open to ideas for replacements.

Gates88 the explanation for sorin makes sense, HOWEVER! now we are looking at a 4 card mana intensive combo with a generall that adds very little value outside of the combo. Frankly at 32 you can probably win with exanginuate, a nod to Oloro though...

enpc to the best of my knowledge This combo doesn't work as Sorin does not cause damage or life loss (think about it if you at 2 health then Sorin's ability is actually life GAIN)

Setting a life total is loss of life/gain life as per the comprehensive rules. (loss/gain depends on the direction of the set)

118.5 If an effect sets a players life total to a specific number, the player gains or loses the necessary amount of life to end up with the new total.

Dunadain - From the Comp Rules: 118.5. If an effect sets a players life total to a specific number, the player gains or loses the necessary amount of life to end up with the new total.

Thx, Ill still point out it's a 4 card combo that fizzles if any player is below 20 life

I'll point out that that's the point :P I posted it as a joke to try and make a really convoluted way of using Sorin to kill 3 players in one hit.

So, a friend of mine is taking a stab at Thrassios + Vial Smasher but he wants to do the turns version, he's looking to make it competitive as possible but some pricy staples may be out of reach, feel free to suggest anything.

This pair and combo is a little out of my wheelhouse so anyone with some experience plz halp.

Party at Vial Smasher's !!!

I hate the be that guy, but there are many ways to build Thrasios-Smasher than turns. Storm, Eggs, Hermit Druid, Reanimator, even Twin combo. All have one or more advantages over Turns, be it less dead/overcosted combo pieces or better commander synergy. Thrasios-Smasher's only real synergy with Turns is Vial Smasher's ability to deal small amounts of damage off your high-cost spells, which isn't significant in multiplayer. I'd recommend your friend switch to another build.

NarejED Feel free to let him know, I'm not an expert on the pair as I said.

I'll re-submit my Sygg, River Cutthroat deck:The Progress Engine

So I've finally decided to contribute to the list with my Dralnu, Lich Lord deck: Flash from the Past , Sadly I do not own the deck. But then again, few people on here actually do own the deck they contribute.

So I've finally decided to contribute to the list with my Dralnu, Lich Lord deck: Flashback from the Past, Sadly I do not own the deck. But then again, few people on here actually do own the deck they contribute.

(Ugh, a triple post) Ignore the first post, it doesn't lead to my deck. The second one however, that leads where I wanted.

_person_ I like the sygg deck, it is good. It would require sygg to be moved from tier 4 to tier 3 though to be added. I did not remember his abilities, but they do seem tier 3 worthy with extra card draws if he hits, especially with a pod playing. I would like him moved up and that be the decklist, but we will have to see what others think. NarejED.

viperfang4: Thanks for the support!

ajacobik could we have a link?

I believe he is talking about this Erebos list.

Competitive or otherwise, I have respect for people who play Imp's Mischief.

So... today for Lulz I played ANT Sidisi but replaced Sidisi with Kokusho. I made it as a joke but my playgroup stopped laughing after I won G1 T3, G2 T2. Coincidence to be sure but I've been working on a list and I think Kokusho should be moved to T2.5 or even T2

Kokusho, all the life

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It looks as though venser shaper savant needs a bump in his tier ranking. This list looks pretty dope

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