I seriously think that Breya, Etherium Shaper and Atraxa, Praetors' Voice are actually Tier 1 decks.

Atraxa is pretty bad to be honest. She contributes nothing to the types of decks in her color scheme that are actually competitive. She is worse than Derevi as a stax general despite having better colors (unless some new tech has been discovered I am unaware of) and she is badly outclased by Thrasios for anything combo related.

Breya is very good but Thrasios is pretty much strictly better. She is a very strong tier 1.5, but falls short due to her combos being relatively fragile and her lack of green, which is stronger than red/white. I stopped tinkering with her a while ago perhaps mmcgeach can offer some insight on her.

I agree that Breya and atraxa are well placed right now, I like the Venser, Shaper Savant list, possibly tier 2.5 but first I feel that the mana curve needs to be lowered (I realize cards like Dig Through Time are not really 8 mana spells but the deck still has a bit of fat.)

Anyways, I would like to resubmit me Kokusho list, I've made some huge changes, cutting out some low impact artifacts and some of the curve toppers and replaced them with cheap artifact creatures and Ashnod's Altar. The results are fantastic! My mana curve plummeted from 1.77 to 1.59, and the extra creatures combined with Culling the Weak, Organ Harvest, Songs of the Damned, and Ashnod's Altar to name a few, produce insane amounts of mana, all the while, as artifact creatures, they also work with Krark-Clan Ironworks and lower my dependency on black mana.
Much less exciting but still important, I chopped some colorless lands for swamps, mulling a perfectly good hand because you don't have black sucks, I need a high swamp count for Lake of the Dead anyways, that card is bonkers and not being able to play it because you don't have swamps is a big blow sometimes.

Without further ado:

Kokusho, all the life

Commander / EDH Dunadain

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How do you submit your deck for review in order to get the considered for feature in the tier listing?

say you want to submit a deck and what the commander is. then attach a link in a comment on here.

Speaking of submitting a deck: Flashback from the Past is my submission for a Dralnu, Lich Lord competative commander deck.

@Trtl: Thank you very much for the instructions.

I would like to submit my Sigarda, Host of Herons list for the potential to be featured in the tier 3 listing - A Prison Fit for an Enchantress.

Breya is fine where she is. Maybe at some point she will move up to tier 1, but it seems unlikely.

I actually think Atraxa should move down to tier 2.5. When you compare her to other stax decks in tier 2, it's never favorable, not even against Meren and Nath, who could also arguably move down. Everything Atraxa wants to do, Derevi just does better. Even if you're not running her as a stax deck and you just want the blue boonweaver deck or a Hermit Druid deck, Thrasios+Tymna or even Thrasios+Ravos do that much better. If you take the stax route, Atraxa is a lot more comparable to Bruna - she can get there if she gets going, but she needs a lot of support and you have to clog up your deck with a lot of cards that have no utility outside of just trying to slowly win through commander damage. If you take any other route, she gets easily outclassed, so there's no point in putting her so high. We don't have Doomsday Oloro as a tier 2 deck just because Zur Doomsday is tier 1, the same should apply to all color identity+decklist combinations.

The Venser deck is pretty good and probably a solid tier 2. It's a lot better than Baral and the other mono-blue decks and it's also a bit better than the other combo decks in tier 2.5. The big failing of Venser compared to Jace is that Venser offers no utility in the midgame since you need to save it for your combo. However, Venser can combo off through a Trinisphere (or any sphere effects if you can produce enough mana), relies less on High Tide, and doesn't fold to Cursed Totem or Grafdigger's Cage (though it is weak to Torpor Orb). I definitely think Venser could move up to tier 2.5 and eventually to tier 2 when an optimized list is found.

Gates88 I agree with most of what you said, but do you really think optimized Venser is better than Baral and Jace? You could be right but I would have said on par or slightly worse, would love for you or someone else with more mono-U experience than me to compare them, blue is probably the color I have the least experience in.

Whoa whoa whoa, I DID NOT say that Venser is better than Jace. When I said that Venser was "better than Baral and the other mono-blue decks" I meant the other mono-blue decks that were lower than tier 2. As good as Venser is, Jace is still slightly better overall.

point taken, thanks

Ok its been 2 weeks since I posted pheldda with no comment towards if its worth looking into for t3. (granted promotions to t3 are less observed but still)

Commander: Phelddagriff

Rhabdophobia

Commander / EDH* chaosumbreon87

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now to work on hazezon, progenitus, or rasputin. (surrak link is broken)

i have no idea why you talk about tier of Atraxa Stax decks, if atraxa is a elite Superfriends Commander .. not stax... ofc Derevi is better for stax ..

Superfriends is not a viable strategy in competitive EDH.

Before anyone decides to be a smartass, Teferi is not "mono-blue superfriends". It runs like 3 planeswalkers in the 99 and you don't even need Jace (or Ugin arguably).

chaosumbreon87 WHy are you running Pheldagriph? you say in the description something about infinite mana and staff of Domination? Pheldagriph is not an outlet for infinite mana and, to the best of my knowledge, does not create any infinite mana combos, I'm confused

In regards to using Thrasios, Triton Hero and Tymna the Weaver as your commanders:

Is the Hermit Druid -> Angel of Glory's Rise package the definitive best combo engine to run with Thrasios, or is it just as viable to instead modify ShaperSavant's Food Chain Tazri list and run that combo package instead? I figured that swapping out the allies for Laboratory Maniac and Walking Ballista as win cons could work just as well.

There are at least 3 major archetypes for Thrasios+Tymna that are competitively viable. Food chain does not work for Thrasios because the food chain mana can only be used for creature spells, not abilities.

On a semi related note I think a midrange food chain Tazri deck could be a thing by adding an engine package, which uses birthing pod to grab various utility creatures to easily assemble food chain and engine combos.

While the midrange version would lose some speed, It would make the deck less of a glass cannon, and more resilient to stax. There are some really cool pod lines I have been meaning try out with food chain and engine. I may throw together a list in the near future once I finalize my budget paradox engine Thrasios storm decks

Double post...

SaberTech: Lilbrudder has done a lot of work with Thrasios and between a lot of conversations I believe the consensus is that Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter is the best infinite mana combo. It's compact, both halves can be tutored with things like Muddle the Mixture and you can add pieces like Paradox Engine for redundancy.

After that, I would personally say that Auriok Salvagers + Lion's Eye Diamond was the next best one as it provides built in recursion for Walking Ballista.

Gah, beaten to it by the man himself. Curse you slow internet!

Haha. The merger between paradox scepter and bomberman is wonderfully seamless. Just add Birthing Pod, which allows you to assemble the bomberman combo in one turn fairly consistently since engine builds have several ways to untap pod and it just takes two activations to get there. Cast thrasios, sac to get trinket mage tutoring for LED sac to get auriok salvagers go infinite gg. Have LED in hand? tutor for voltaic key with trinket mage to untap pod and go striaght to salvagers. Voltaic key also draws your entire deck with engine+sensei's divining top+2 mana worth of rocks. The overlapping synergies are nutty in an engine shell...

Dunadain sorry if there was any confusion. Pheldda is my mana sink for infinite mana so I wanted to use his ability to win somehow. It started with dingus staff killing after infinite mana and progressed to the state I currently have . My reasoning would be, why would I run pheldda if bant has many other good commanders to win with (derevi, rubinia, roon) so I wanted to turn his parity abilities to a win con. Hense the deck.

(abuse of the green ability of pheldda is the plan here)

Staff of dom is an enabler for half of the other infinite mana combos in the elf category.

and to chime in to the atraxa debate, HD is the best route IMO since stax is hard to break parity, superfriends is meh, and infect is hard to kill a table with. DD is the only other line I can think of besides HD and Boonweaver and boonweaver just speeds up average turn kill count by .23 (ish) [the math is on my decklist]

Lilbrudder And that's what I get for not reading a card properly. I've been wanting to give Thrasios a shot, but it's a pain to get my hands on a paper copy of Lion's Eye Diamond so I've been looking for alternatives.

enpc Thank you for the update. Do you or Lilbrudder have a list up with the Dramatic Scepter combo?

Paradox Scepter is the Bomb...er...man?

Commander / EDH* Lilbrudder

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I am close to finalizing a functional $650 version of this deck. It sadly has no bomberman but still can frequently get turn 4 wins in a vacuum.

Huh, so the deck runs bomberman, Dramatic Scepter, and a possible Aetherflux Reservoir storm line? It's neat to see how you managed to mesh all of that together.

chaosumbreon87 so your wincon is infinite life with Essence Warden while simultaneously giving your opponents infinite 1/1s? can't see that blowing up in your face. lol, is that actually the combo or am I still missing it? I'm sooooooo confused

Anyways, third times a charm... right? I'd love some input on my submission for competitive Kokusho

Kokusho, all the life

Commander / EDH Dunadain

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