Noctem If you call these abomination invocations masterpieces.

lol. I'm also iffy about the way these cards are designed. I'm not sure if I'm going to get some for my cube even though I run Mind Twist for example.

What really messed up this god cycle is the fact they are mono color. If haz was jund I could actually see her as somewhat useful , just because she can put things in my grave for reanimation. Not amazing, but better than what it is now.Same thing with kef and bant.It seems like not only a design fail, but also a flavor fail, since bolas is supposed to be involved here.Oh well, just gotta hope the white one isn't a 4 drop with 2w discard a card make a 1/1 white zombie token on a 4/5 body with vigilance who onlines when you have 3 or more creatures.

Forgot to mention I'm going to brew all the gods when amon drops, I have pretty clear goals for the first 2, but they are so weak.

Hopefully the last 3 will be more tantalizing :)

Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons has potential.

i nominate tier 4 placeholder but it will prob be more tier 3. Any thoughts to the contrary for tier 4 until some testing can be done for tier 3 placement?

The gods ill concede might be tier 5 but I dont like to place on either end until some brews go around. At least ill gladly take the embalm cat and any other embalm for 1-2s for my cedh deck.

So does Manglehorn have a place in cedh? I was thinking maybe Yisan? http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/manglehorn/

Definitely tier 3, the snakes function as both blockers and a very expendable resource to feed sacrifice outlets. She can use a skull clamp pretty effectively for card advantage, has access to infect cards and can trigger so many deaths on her own side it's filthy. She fits tier 3 pretty well. I like how manglehorn looks in teeg more than yisan, but he offers good disruption to mana rock spam and eggs type storm

im going to be annoyed by black sun zenith and wither/infect/proliferate that may be added due to him

She goes infinite with Blowfly Infestation.

Tier 3 to start, possibly could move up if more combos get thought up.

I'm with Merrow on Hazoret and Temmet are definitely T5, and Kenfet as T4.

HarroHunter, could be a neat alternative to Reclamation Sage for stax decks that want an extra Root Maze. I don't know though, I usually like my removal to hit more than one permanent type.

Also, As Foretold looks beautiful, and Throne of the God-Pharaoh seems pretty potent for token aggro.

so all bg girl does is go her blowfly and then spam skull clamp and draw until she can combo out and grave storm everyone to death, that's pretty solid, and she has hat sexy black draw and tutor package to back her up. i was searching very hard for the card she goes infinite with, i knew one existed, thanks for posting it. they may just make up for the probaby lack luster god cycle with random bombs.

My deck submission for Kozilek, Butcher of Truth. There is no doubt in my mind that he deserves a tier two slot, especially since the printing of Paradox Engine. I would be happy to explain and debate my reasoning if you are interested.

Colored Mana is for the Weak

Commander / EDH Decrepit_Angel

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The link to the mizzix list is broken, but Nakhla has a different one on their profile.

Hey I did some brewing and I came up with this Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons list here that I would like to put up for consideration. I think it actually has some real potential and has a lot of flexibility. It's still a bit of a work in progress though so any suggestions are more than welcome. Thanks

Might as well suggest it, as nobody has yet.

Personally, I think Oketra the True should be T5. Although a 3/6 Indestructible Double Strike could be good occasionally, (can't believe I am saying that!) she has the worst monocolor combination and is simply cute compared with higher-tiered commanders.

Thoughts?

Right now I don't think there are any gods that won't be tier 5. Maybe Kefnet and Hazoret could be tier 4 since they're infinite mana sinks, but that's about it.

Oketra is T4 IMO. Also an infinite mana sink, and she makes tokens you can turn into value even if they're overpriced. Better than Hazoret in any case.

We also got this bad boy today:

He makes me kinda sad, because I think he might actually make a good minotaur tribal commander... in like, ten years from now. At this moment there are only about 14 minotaurs that I would even consider putting in an EDH deck, and that's being super generous. His discard effect also isn't really potent enough to build around when Black already has critical mass of enchantments that do the same thing at the same mana cost.

I'm going to say T4 for him as well. He has some upsides, and he'll scale up well if Wizards keeps supporting minotaurs as a tribe.

HarroHunter, That list looks super solid actually. Lots of paths to victory, and it's pretty consistent with all the tutors. However, my only problem with it is this:

Besides Blowfly Infestation, what parts of the deck have anything to do with Hapatra?

I know a lot of the cEDH brews aren't that commander centric, but usually they intend to use their commander somehow. Hapatra can't even go infinite with Blowfly Infestation if you can't put a -1/-1 counter on something, and with no other cards that even mention -1/-1 counters in your 99, you have to wait until your next combat to go off using that combo. Even if it's your back-up plan, you should devote a little more deckspace to making it function.

It seems like what you've done here is make a super solid G/B Shadowborn Apostle list, which, while still being super solid, doesn't really have much to do with Hapatra. What distinguishes this from any other G/B decklist? Because honestly, right now I want to take this list, throw out Hapatra and Blowfly, and just run Savra, Queen of the Golgari for the potential board wipe or Pharika, God of Affliction for dedicated grave-hate in the command zone. (You should totally take that as a compliment though, because they both suck.)

Also, your description says, "or draw my deck with any of the cards listed above like Fecundity." Keep in mind that the Blowfly combo won't draw your deck with either Grim Haruspex or Harvester of Souls, because the snakes that are dying are token creatures. Right now your only way to win if you go with the Blowfly combo is to have access to either Bitter Ordeal or Fecundity, which is a bit low for wincons, even with all the tutors.

sonnet666 Thanks for all the input and the compliment. I definitely see what you're saying about Hapatra bring under utilized. I could see Savra, Queen of the Golgari possibly being better for the list, but I think Hapatra can be just as good though. At the very least she's great against mana dork based ramp for your opponents. Which I don't know about your meta but my meta has a lot of that. I'll definitely take a look at the deck though and see if I can better consider Hapatra. Thanks again.

I would like to share a Rasputin deck list and advise a tier upgrade from 3 to 2.5.

He has very easy to execute infinite mana combos, and can wipe entire tables with synergies with cards like Mortarpod + Nim Deathmantle, Walking Ballista, Infinite Turns, and more thanks to Eldrazi Displacer and recursion effects.

He is a sleeper commander, and people usually don't pay him any mind until they played a game against him. I know this experience is anecdotal, but this deck is now the focused deck of every playgroup I am in, and it has cards in tier one like Tefari and Zur scared of it.

I feel like he is under-represented because he is such a niche and old card, and there are better U/W commanders that play to a general theme like Grand-Arbiter sure. However, this deck is very versatile and can win through unique and unusual ways, and has the most possible win cons I can think of. So if the combo plan doesn't work out, you can still ramp into big beaters.

I feel for a card that takes your turn six play to turn your next turn into a possible 14 mana turn is pretty good. But I'll let the community at large be the judge of that.

RA RA RASPUTIN!

Commander / EDH Tomiix

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So now for legendary creature wrap up so far. Sorry cant remember names so ill refer by color:

Green- tier 3. Pump is relevant

Black: tier 3. Sac outlet is good.

Blue: tier 4. Decent mana sink but not worth it

White and red: tier 5. No.

Embalm commander: tier 4 to 5

Minotaur commander: tier 5 unless discard becomes relevant

Hapatra: tier 3 concervatively. I wanna brew it but super buisy.

Did i miss anything?

what about that harsh mentor stopping infinite combos huh? that card is a house

chaosumbreon87, Um... you missed the bit where you're wrong on more than half of that...

• Rhonas, the Indomitable - T4. Pump is not relevant, and if Nylea, God of the Hunt is T4 than so is he.

• Bontu the Glorified - T4. Sac outlets are good when they affect the board or give you card advantage. If I wanted this effect I'd play Zulaport Cutthroat and only have to pay once. Also, if I wanted a commander that's just a sac outlet in the command zone, Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim is way better. (Hell, even Yahenni, Undying Partisan is better.)

• Oketra the True - T4. I don't understand how people are slapping a T5 label on her when Heliod, God of the Sun is T4. They're practically the same, but with warriors instead of clerics. (Also Oketra doesn't get a neat interaction with Skybind, which is sad, but it can't be helped.)

• Temmet, Vizier of Naktamu - T5. Good colors but literally no effect on the game.

• Neheb, the Worthy - T4. Even if he's just a Stronghold Rats in the command zone, stripping your opponents' hands while setting up madness and reanimation is good a 3 mana. I play all of the following in black, Oppression, Necrogen Mists, & Bottomless Pit, so Neheb should be able to function just fine.

• Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons - Tentatively T2.5. Even if you just load up on tutors, stall and draw with snake tokens, and try to combo out, being half of a low-cost infinite combo in the command zone is good competitive points.

I'll agree with you on Kefnet the Mindful and Hazoret the Fervent. Kenfet is mediocre, and Hazoret is terribad for sure.

Hotcake_Gotsyrup: I mean, it doesn't stop all infinite combos, but that's a good way to look at it. Are there any Hatebear/Stax commanders in red that would like this guy?

Hotcake_Gotsyrup I think it's really cool as well, it's the one creature I like from the set.

ill concede some points there. I figured rhonas would be relevant in some kind of elfball/dev green strategy to get infinite pumps but ill need to playtest this idea later. (put on backburner)[not enough data to support or reject your conclusions yet].

Nomination for samut at tier 3 tentatively? plz wizards stop printing more legendary creatures this block so i can stop posting to here about placement questions.