how do we still not have emrakul, rofellos or erayo decks

I'll just watch what I can. For now, I'm making a list of cards to put in Jeleva's mana base. I'll stat with 38 lands unless Professor is wrong about this as well... 38 seems to be the default to stay in the game anyway... BTW: thanks guys. Not only did I find out about another MTG site, I might learn a thing or two from these guys. They even use spicy peppers for a rating system, which is infinitely better than salt.

BMHKain I'm not quite sure what you're looking for as I haven't read all of the previous comments. If you are looking to be competitive with Jeleva, 38 lands is just way too many. I wouldn't listen to much of what Professor has to say in terms of deck building from a competitive EDH standpoint. The standard land count in a cEDH storm deck is about 30 (sometimes a bit less).

@Archwizard: I see. Well, is he at least useful for stuff regarding deck boxes, sleeves, etc? I plan to run Enter the Infinite, Omniscience, Beacon of Tomorrows chronolock, even two equipment that works especially well on an emergency commander damage ordeal. I don't suppose the 30 lands of choice need to have basics? We do have Ruination you know... ;). Though I am considering Mind's Desire as a last ditch effort to win a game; But wouldn't just 30 lands merely mean mana starvation? This I actually want answered as this is going to be tough to make IF I include ABU Duals... Oh, and Eye of the Storm seems promising...

So far, there isn't much for the Lab Maniacs, just a tutorial on how to play Competitive EDH, several games, and other Misc. stuff. It's a start, but it's only recent. I'll see how good Jeleva plays in the duels though to see how powerful she could be... She probably didn't win once, so maybe I could improve on that...

BMHKain Since it seems you're interested in building a competitive Jeleva list I'd advise you take a look at the list featured here. reversemermaid's list is an excellent example of well built storm deck. The cards you mentioned EtI, Omniscience, Beacon, and Eye of the Storm don't really see much play in cEDH. Some of them have fringe applications in the format, but they aren't really playable in storm. As for Ruination, you probably won't ever see that played at a competitive table. You'll most likely be more worried about Back to Basics or Blood Moon. Mind's Desire is quite good for what you're trying to do with Jeleva (see featured list for reference). 30 lands doesn't mean you mana starve because in competitive you'll be playing an ample amount of mana rocks and efficient draw. Most cEDH lists run between 28 and 32 lands depending on the deck's strategy. As a sidenote I will add that most of the resources you find will be more geared toward regular EDH deck construction. That being said you should probably start looking at the lists featured here to get a better grasp of the decks you are up against and the power level of competitive Commander.

@Archwizard: It will be done when the Losing Jeleva decks of Laboratory Maniacs have revealed at least one reason why they are so close to even winning a game (If they did lose.). BTW: this is uncharted territory for me, I never really liked Reddit, so I'll watch the games for now to see how Jeleva performs. I was thinking of Teferi in case things get too expensive as a reserve choice, but I didn't want to rely on planeswalkers as the main strategy. I'll see what Jeleva can do for a storm theme as well. BTW: thanks to all who could help as best as they could. You might be useful for those who are struggling to make a good deck, and even recommend a new channel with potential too! The only thing to do now is to find that iPad to finish up the icons for Lifelinker.

Thanks guys. I'll see what I can do... (Might as well get my Signets ready...)

Wow. Reversemermaid's deck is hefty. Candelabra, Timetwister, disregard what I said about Jeleva unless that deck doesn't truly need such expensive stuff. I don't mind tearing apart my old Superfriends deck for duals, but are there any alternate options while still focusing on storm?

So mirri and nazahn seem interesting. Projecting tier 3-4s? Thoughts?

Balan seems like a CATastrophe. Wotc please stop pushing voltron

I wouldn't play 30 lands in any storm deck. Jelly is probably good at 28-29 My paradox storm list only uses 27 lands, and being mana starved in almost never an issue (the opposite in fact). You want ramp card advantage spells/top deck manipulation, tutors and interaction. Don't get cute with fat cards or effects that are not storm related. With fast mana you can literally keep 0 and 1 land hands and hit every land drop. Turn 1 wheels or a turn 1 mystic remora does wonders. The land count issue is the biggest barrier for casual players to go more competitive, which is intimitely tied to running efficient spells. If your avg casting cost is 3.5 you need 36-38 lands, not so at 1.6-1.9, which is the desireable range for ad naus based storm lists. The other land issue is casuals play way too many utility lands, which stops them from getting the colors they need. Get good at mulliganing. Do not play more lands. Lands suck!

Tbf nazahn can fetch umbral mantle, and provides the colors to use it effectively. In a green white build you can still run pseudo elf ball and use standard umbral ! mantle loops. He's not just voltron, he has some utility in that little ability of his.

The 2 i listed were not necessarily voltron lists. I was going to try an elfball etb variant tbh. Skullclamp seems nice. I was refering to balan which literally screams voltron.

BMHKain There is the mono-blue storm listed with Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  ^Flip as the commander. Sure, Timetwister and Candelabra of Tawnos are a thing, but at least you could allocate your finances to those pieces instead of having to purchase the ABUR (Alpha/Beta/Unlimited/Revised duals).

nazahn should be t3 and maybe people will dig for some obscure equipment, he isnt too weak. sorry misread your post. im just hoping wizards isnt too busted

Or you could play Tazri FoodChain and win on T3 through disruption and not have to worry about many of the stupidly expensive cards like Candlesticks.

By the way, if you are trying to get a cEDH deck to join in other people playing cEDH then that's fine but if you are building it just to trounce people I'd suggest tiering down a bit. Yisan, Selvala, something like that.

Basically, if you are the only one playing a Tier 1 cEDH deck you are the only one having fun. Try to play on the level of your meta.

Given your non-familiarity with cEDH I'd wager that you should gauge your meta first.

Alma collector seems kinda sweet. It's 4 mana, but seems like a cool hate bear. Him in response to a brainstorm is funny.

Double post sorry

@Everyone Then I suppose I should apologize. Currently, I have no meta (My area seems completely bonedry of MAGIC Groups of commander. Trying to locate one, failing, and all we have where I'm at is POKEMON. Even if I had a meta, they most likely would omit the whole idea. Sorry to say, I rather make my decks my own way, while still being "competitive" (At least, to the norm.) about my builds. Since my build has Proteus Staff, I could at least just keep Jeleva as the only creature of my deck. With that said, I'm sure you won't give a possum's crack about my decision. Oh, & BTW, I like freedom of choice in my builds anyway, and I apologize about this. I'll probably use the Check Lands as place holders incase I ever get another ABU Duals. Decision made, stop talking to me. I thought this tierlist applied to all cards of the Multiplayer meta, not just truly competitive stuff. I am sorry I ever got myself into such shenanigans...

Over & OUT.

anyway, are there any lists that people want to be written up? i recently got laid off and have a bunch of free time. just make a list of them and i will see what i can do.

Hotcake_Gotsyrup, sonnet666 sorry on both your fronts.

Hotcake_Gotsyrup it may be kinda selfish of me but can I get a generic list of cEDH staples so when I'm filling out the rest of the tier 3 list, I can just copy the staples and start from there. Things like ring, crypt, lotus petal, moxen, etc. Thanks in advance

For context of some previous comments (as well as my opinions):
- Tier 4 tops, being a tutor helps its ranking
- Tier 5, too slow and clunky
- Tier 3 tops, maybe upper tier 4. The attack prevention is relevant in creature combat tiers, which the lower tiers have significantly more of.
- I like it (it also has the funny nickname Commie Cat), though the wording had me confused for a while :P

I really like Mirri for casual EDH, but I'm not sure what to do with her outside of tokens/weenie.

Mirri Hatebears?

Not to totally derail the conversation; but does anyone have a half descent Kambal, Consul of Allocation deck?

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