Archwizard I really don't need Fast Mana when I have ways to easily double or triple my mana base thanks to Caged Sun, Extraplanar Lens, and Gauntlet of Power and I consistently get one of them if not two of them. Land Tax and Endless Horizons also helps me get my mana base out. I will admit that Angel's Grace is a fantastic suggestion, but I also have ways of being able to exile/Destroy creatures fairly easily. The fact that I hermit down was a comment on myself of not being able to pilot my own deck as properly as it could be piloted. If I was more aggressive I'd be a bit better.

I'm not even asking that Eight-and-a-Half-Tails is Tier one. It's not and I know it, but I think it would better fit in the 2.5 list as if you play properly to it's strengths, you can make a devastating deck with it. Most of the decks being "Lets buff a single creature and attack with it protecting it with 8.5 tails" is not playing to its strength as a card.

Maxpphire By the time you reach turns 5 and 6 where you can cast Caged Sun or Gauntlet of Power the game is usually already over or it's about to be. Extraplanar Lens is a decent option for mono white, but it still won't be enough. You NEED fast mana to have a fighting chance in cEDH, no question. White is arguably the worst in terms of ramping. Cards like Land Tax and Endless Horizons simply guarantee that you'll have lands to play they're not gonna help you race other decks. I agree that the voltron route isn't the best way of doing 8.5 tails, but your deck needs quite a bit more high end cards to be an example of a cEDH viable 8.5 tails list. As a previous pilot of 8.5 tails I'm aware of the potential strengths that he has, but I don't think he's tier 2.5 worthy.

I know Voltron is typically looked down upon (120 life or 63 life depending on what's doing the damage.)

That being said I have an intentionally lower powered Samut Voltron for 6-7/10 play level and Land Tax is HILARIOUS with Empyrial Plate with Samut. Gets real lethal real fast. 8 cards in hand = GG if you can get past blockers

Anywho, just thought is was a cool interaction to mention, kinda like Leering Emblem+Become Immense

Ohthenoises you say voltron is kinda looked down but its currently the best way (as far as I can see) [yeah its still bad but aurelia kinda picks up a lot of slack] to build aurelia. Ive tried the tokens route and you just cant accrue as much draw power as you can with voltron (even artifacts as bad as mask of memory gain a lot of value really quickly) Master warcraft is just like a 5th wincon as far as i'm concerned. Ill leave a link when ive finished playtesting for tier deck recommendation

welp aurelia is done. gotta say, not looking forward to making another boros deck

tap tap concede

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anyone thought of using rakdos LoR to loop ancestral statue for infinite storm tendrils of agony? it sucks he doesn't have blue, but he should be able to get there right. other finisher could be cloudstone curio and eldrazi mimic and endless one after connecting with rakdos, or loop them with paradox engine. i dont think he would move up at all, but i think that may be a better route for him. thoughts?

That rakdos idea actually sounds pretty good, i would like to see that in action.

anyone thought of using rakdos LoR to loop ancestral statue for infinite storm tendrils of agony? it sucks he doesn't have blue, but he should be able to get there right. other finisher could be cloudstone curio and eldrazi mimic and endless one after connecting with rakdos, or loop them with paradox engine. i dont think he would move up at all, but i think that may be a better route for him. thoughts?

here is a (very) rough first draft. probably going to cut mike and trike command becaon is for sneak attacking rakdos. thoughts suggestions and cuts welcome Ram Jam

Going on that list to comment as I already built one. Would love to see it more optimized than mine though so gonna get over yours ;)

What are the fastest/easiest ways to make infinite colored mana in bant colors? I want to force everyone to gain life and make hippos with Phelddagrif.

Podkomorka the only relevant infinite colored mana is infinite green which would lead to elfball. If you want a base there should be my phelda base that i submitted ages ago and should be on my profile still (deck is called rhabdophobia)

Podkomorka Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal. You just need one rock that taps for color.

I'd like to put my prototype for Arahbo, Roar of the World here:

Chairman Meow

Commander / EDH* Winterblast

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It's aggro, but from two days of playtesting on xmage I feel like it's a very fast aggro deck. I managed one turn 2 kill, a few on turn 3 and frequently on turn 5. I have made Screenshots of the most ridiculous early game kills because I didn't think I could pull that off that often in just two days while still building the deck.

Haven't seen Arahbo yet in the list (I just had a quick look though) so maybe someone wants to discuss his placement. I would say tier 2.5 but that's just after two days of playing it.

Winterblast I feel like that list is for the mtgo 1v1 format rather than for 4 player pods. I don't see how any aggro deck is viable outside of saskia infect, and even then.

I wouldnt say no aggro strategy is 4 player viable. Just look at elfball lists. Craterhoof is a win con in many lists and thats aggro. Aurelia literally has to go beat face. Edric likes beating face. I disagree with that blanket statement wholeheartedly

We mostly play 3 player games locally (sometimes 2 and 4 players) so that's what I played online as well with Arahbo. Aggro being seen as weak helped in taking the first player by surprise and then the remaining opponent usually wasn't a big problem. For 4 players I would probably take one of my other decks.

I would say it's a typical late night deck for when everyone has already taken out their 2nd best

What could be used in other decks that want to attack is Bloodforged Battle-Axe and Puresteel Paladin. I had that thing on a double strike creature once and it drew like half of my deck within two turns. Still needs a deck that wins by damage though.

Elfball is almost like storm though in dropping half their deck and swinging. I mean, if your going to have an aggro list, it's not played like aggro, it is either a creatureball dropping half their deck in a combo like manor or has a large chunk of hatebears. In either case, those are not aggro despite winning by beating face. Aggro is just all in damage, which is not going to go well, and infect saskia has the fastest clock out of them all. I did face a dragon stompy ur-dragon list a few days ago and underestimated the dragon hatebears that kept burning or destroying things on etb and lost, but that's still not aggro. Pure aggro just can't get through 120 life, there is almost always a catch that no longer makes it considered aggro to the definition.

I read the rules. nvm lol

viperfang4 then it's more about the definition of what aggro means in EDH. I think it's clear that you don't just play creatures with a high cmc/power value except the most ridiculous ones (serra ascendant) if they don't have any other game winning or disruptive abilities. I would still consider a deck to be of the big archetype "aggro" if it's main strategy is to deal damage with creatures as much as possible while not losing to the opposing decks. It's just that the "not losing to combo" aspect has to be more in EDH than in other formats.

Anyone know how effective a The Mimeoplasm doomsday deck would be? thinking about building one for my local game shop (unfortunately it wont be nearly optimized and 2 star creatures are Gisa and Geralf as well as Meren, but still, doomsday seems like it might be a good win con for him with him as just a super value staller or something)

on that note, would hermit doomsday mimeoplasm or necrotic ooze mimeoplasm work? im honestly intrigued enough. time to build after the eclipse (happy eclipse everyone)

I just got finished staring INdirectly at the eclipse. It was not anything special, aside from the rarity of it.

If anyone's thinking of picking up intuition's, either for Kess, or anything else, I would highly recommend getting them now.

In a few weeks, max, people are going to realize it's a triple demonic tutor at instant speed in Kess, and that combined with all the Old School format buyout hype going around, is going to have Intuition joining them.

merrowMania it's better depending on where you are.