And Dragonlord Kolaghan should be brought down to tier 5

Who would be the best commander for a competitive infect deck? In 1 vs 3 situation.

Thoughts on Admiral Beckett Brass?

Does the guy who runs this still update this? Just curious

Yawgmothlives yes they all do, theyre just really busy with real life issues currently and trying to do an overhaul of the page so it may be a while. Zenaku17 saskia is pretty damn good at infect cuz you can kill 2 people at once with a swing at ONE person, its pretty aggro but flies under the radar well

Yes still updating but currently working on a new version of the list with the lab maniacs, but my time is completely dedicated to school right now, so it will take longer than I initially thought to update, but I am still alive!

Awesome thegigibeast glad to hear you're alive!

resubmitting my kokusho list, feedback plz!

Kokusho, all the life

So what exactly is the game plan with rikku of 2 reflections? Ive been looking at the list we have and it seems like there might be something better, i cant quite put my finger on what though...

Athraithe see shapersavant's second comment on that same deck

Would like to submit my deck for the tier list.

Reyhan Kraum food chain

Commander / EDH Zenaku17

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I would like to submit my deck for Karlov of the Ghost Council (Tier 3). It's both reasonably competitive and a lot of fun to pilot. One of the interesting aspects of it is how often it is able to disrupt infinite combos, especially those involving the graveyard.

Karlov's Tithes

Commander / EDH ericalt91

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I'm curious, because I enjoy visiting this page and looking at deck lists and the discussion around competitive commander builds. I play in a highly competitive and healthy meta several times a week, and I see brews that I think would qualify for Tier 1- Tier 2.5 builds that I don't see listed on this site (I believe some of that has to do with keeping their builds under wraps, or simply not having this page on their radar) and I would enjoy being able, with their permission of course, submitting some of those decks for consideration?

Also, with the lists that are considered Tier 1 and 1.5 I would ask the moderator of this page if they consider these builds the Tier they are listed in based on a lot of playtesting, or or conceptual Tier 1 builds based on the values listed on the commander itself? I know that a lot of the commanders have proven themselves i.e. Prossh, Zur, Tymna/Thrasios etc but I'm honestly just curious if other commanders such as the Kess build would fall strongly into this category too?

ericalt91 where are your mana crypt and vault? theres a few other points id like to bring up but ill do it on your page if youd prefer

Athraithe It's not tuned to that level, I have it entered the way I currently play it. I figured a fairly well-tuned deck was better than having none at all. I'm always down for discourse, so hop on over and tell me what you think.

what nobu said, but ill do it after a few playtests

I heard skittles needs an update. Here's my attempt:

taste the rainbow

Commander / EDH* chaosumbreon87

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Zegana will come next as I still swear that its not fully optimal

deadmanwaltzing has made some updates to Ultra Competitive Control, a Grand Arbiter combo control deck. The list itself draws heavily from BigLupu's work, but this recent update is far more compact and streamlines the general shape of the deck. This frees the deck from some of the clunkiness that has plagued Grand Arbiter decks for years. As someone who has played this variant for ages, I firmly believe it to be the superior list. Most importantly, dedicating fewer slots to non-overlapping combos composed of mediocre cards opens the deck to more meta-based picks and helps increase overall card quality. I'm thoroughly impressed.

I've seen some decent stax lists floating about but breaking parity with a more dedicated stax approach is so hard in those lists that I think arbiter's a very weird angle to approach the archetype from. As such, I still think the more combo-oriented control list is better.

Talking about GAAIV, I'd like to submit my updated Stax list, because I believe this to be the better approach. You can't outrace super fast combo, so it's better to stop them. Working with taxing spheres also hurts Teferi, storm and food chain decks. They also prevent the dramatic scepter combo. Attacking the lands with bounce and destruction is much better in an environment where most decks have 30 or fewer and are less likely to draw more lands after they have been removed...cheap mana rocks and dorks can't be easily played through the stax pieces when the lands are gone. Looking at the top tier decks, no one is actually prepared for straightforward resource denial.

Augustin's $t4ks (Primer)

Commander / EDH Winterblast

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Winterblast's list is also worth looking at. I honestly think both should be put up as they're the best examples of different archetypes for the same general. They're different enough where going for one is problematic as meta differences alter the effectiveness of both.

Thats a fair medium

Is one strategy not better than the other? If the meta shifts and another strategy becomes more viable, the deck list changes.

There are multiple Commanders that can be built in different ways. We don't include every variation, only what is deemed the most optimized for Competitve play.

It's a slippery slope adding multiple decks for one Commander.

I won't comment about my GAA4 list (that TheDevicer mentioned) as I whilst I'm confident in the deck's performance, it's ultimately for others to decide whether a deck has legs or not.

I don't think that pure stax GAA4 is a relevant general. Or at least, WinterBlast's list is not optimized for a cEDH setting in my opinion. One doesn't have to look far to see inclusions that probably shouldn't be in the deck. From Ensnaring Bridge, Moat to the mana-base being incredibly susceptible to both B2B & Blood Moon, both of which are incredibly popular effects currently.

Let alone stuff like Thada Adel, the list is all over the place.

If my list isn't put on the conglomerate - that's fair enough. but BigLupu's is definitely the superior list to WinterBlast's.

Sydri was once considered tier 1, so how come she has fallen so far out of favor? As a focused list I've been able to combo out and win or stop other cEDH decks from winning from the word go. Originally I chalked it off to Breya but it appears even she's falling out of favor as well. What exactly makes Breya better than Sydri? It seems Breya has consistency issues being 4 colors while Sydri sticks to her guns as being dedicated to combo off before Breya can make a single move. Course, I refuse to use the combos that is C&P like Doomsday because any deck can do it along with bomberman. Worldgorger's the most dangerous combo because of a well-timed removal.......

But the point becomes, what makes Breya so good? Why is Sydri not as good or better? Is it just because of the simple attrition of the usual popularity contest of the tier lists or is it just something more legitimate?

Mind you, I have both Breya and Sydri, but I decided to make Sydri dedicated combo while Breya became an engine for midrange control in a friendlier game where not everyone is trying to win between turns 0 and 4.

I understand that everyone thinks his list is superior, eventually the guys running this list will decide what list they put up there. If we don't play it out, we can discuss in theory whatever we want.

You have to consider this: it has been stated numerous times how in the current meta creatures like Tymna are powerhouses because no one even attempts to stop them effectively. It has also been noted that the currently listed GAAIV went away from Stax because he didn't manage to break parity...now my build is criticized for including cards that do both?

The all out combo race can't be won with UW, and that build does nothing to make up for that lack of speed. The weakness against faster combo decks as well as the top tier creature based strategies is still there.